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Nurseries staying open

629 replies

meow1989 · 04/01/2021 20:08

To coin a mn phrase: is Boris on glue?!

So now I will have to pay to keep my toddler off to keep him (and us) safe?!

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DressingGownofDoom · 05/01/2021 18:18

@Mum2b43

Wow. How selfish most of you are. I work in a nursery along with a 60 year old and a pregnant lady, amongst other staff. We spend our day getting covered in tears, spit, sneezing, coughing, poo and wee. We are very at risk of catching this, in fact we had to close 2 weeks earlier last term because 3 children tested positive, 2 grandparents died. We have our own school aged children to think about. My primary only had 4 keyworker children so decided to close which means my children have to attend a different primary school as keyworker children. They are scared and upset. If we were to close like schools then we would be only exposed to 5 children who are vulnerable and key workers. Instead it’s 30 children... 20 of which have a stay-at-home parent. My situation is not that unusual. As a early years practitioners we are scared, we feel like we have been put on the frontline so that some stay-at-home parents can get a break from their toddlers and pre-schoolers. Hardly fair is it? Teachers stand in front of a class, they don’t change nappies, get licked or pooed on. Yet you deem them more at risk than us?

I see you saying you are relieved your kids don’t have to stay at home all day. Why because it’s hard work? We know but guess what, we matter too. We deserve to be protected along with our vulnerable and keyworker children. Your child may bring into the nursery and infect a vulnerable child, or maybe a keyworker child. That keyworker child infects their parents then what? Their parents infect others they work with and have to isolate. Guess what... that means less keyworker staff when we need them the most.

Any parent who send their child into a nursery right now when they can look after them at home is selfish and self centred.

I am expecting backlash but I won’t be logging on to see it. I have had my rant and I am not interested in your responses. You should take a long hard look at yourselves in the mirror.

So quit then. Like a lot of us will have to if we aren't able to work due to lack of childcare.
grandmasterstitch · 05/01/2021 18:23

Ours in open and I'm not sending DS. I'm really sad he's missing out on the social side, especially when his speech isn't quite where it should be (he'll be 3 next month) but I'm CEV and just can't risk it. Obviously I'm being really careful and sticking to the rules but I can't guarantee all the other families are. I'm not sure where we stand on fees but hopefully that will be made clearer in the coming days. When I spoke to preschool this morning they sounded very downtrodden and undervalued

mumof2exhausted · 05/01/2021 18:35

Very confused - if you are let workers then you would have been working previously so how could you possibly not need childcare then??? Of course it’s essential to keep nurseries open. They are not unsafe, they are just not as big as schools and therefore easier to control and not vessels for transmission

Zoejj77 · 05/01/2021 18:36

Even if they close you prob might have to pay (my contract I do)

Bl77 · 05/01/2021 18:36

@Mum2b43

I realise you don't care about responses but I found your comment really valuable, and moving, first hand opinion from someone who this situation affects first hand. I work from home, and my partner as well. We have a 3 years old who needs a lot of attention and stimulation. We have not sent him to nursery today and I was disappointed that the nurseries were stilk open. In my job I need to speak to clients, attend conferences and meetings and do paperwork. I will start my paperwork when my son goes to bed and then will arrange my working day around his needs tomorrow. I still play with him in the garden, do activities and speak to my clients and answer calls when he is having a nap or when my partner is able to have a break in between his meetings. It is not easy and I think the nursery staff do much better job than me but why should they be treated different to school teachers. I just feel it is not fair on them.

Someonetookmyname · 05/01/2021 18:36

Nursery is not required for good development! In fact many could and do make the argument that too much time away from mum and/or dad is harmful. Missing a few months of socialisation with other kids wouldn’t harm their development whatsoever ffs

True. I have an almost two year old not in nursery. I keep trying to remind myself that in the olden says there were no nurseries, and children still developed social skills from family and friends.

I do feel pretty depressed that we can’t meet anyone and worry so much about my little one’s social development. Just f*cking praying they don’t shut the playgrounds as that is a lifesaver when she’s bored.

MessAllOver · 05/01/2021 18:39

@HerculesMuligan. An 18 month old drowned while his mother was on a conference call working from home.

LollyBeebee123 · 05/01/2021 18:44

Boris has shown no concern for nursery staff. Absolutely awful! Nursery age children are the least able to socially distance in society. Staff work with many more colleagues than school staff and distancing between adults is difficult in a small space. I am a nursery teacher working in a primary school nursery class. (Scotland) Our schools and nurseries are only open to vulnerable and key worker children which is the way it should be. I am also a parent of four (2 school age &1 nursery) so I completely understand the problems this situation presents. But nursery staff are not immune to the virus nor are they expendable!

Loobylu44 · 05/01/2021 18:45

I am an early years teacher and have been for 20 years. An early years setting isn’t a COVID secure setting. The precautions limit the risk but there is still one. I am keeping my 3 year old away until I think it’s safe. Not forgetting that on Sunday the govt said it was confident schools were safe and now describe them as a vortex where the virus can spread. Any place that links families together indoors aren’t a great idea if we want to protect the community and ultimately the NHS.

mynameiscalypso · 05/01/2021 18:49

I don't think anyone on this thread has said that nurseries are safe; just that they are relatively more safe (for which read, number of cases and transmission potential) than primary and secondary schools. Closing them won't have a massive impact on reducing the spread of the virus. I can understand why early years workers are unhappy obviously and I really feel for them but I also understand the rationale for the decision that has been made.

CheetasOnFajitas · 05/01/2021 18:50

@Loobylu44

I am an early years teacher and have been for 20 years. An early years setting isn’t a COVID secure setting. The precautions limit the risk but there is still one. I am keeping my 3 year old away until I think it’s safe. Not forgetting that on Sunday the govt said it was confident schools were safe and now describe them as a vortex where the virus can spread. Any place that links families together indoors aren’t a great idea if we want to protect the community and ultimately the NHS.
You’re keeping your own child away but still going in to work in an EY setting yourself?
Loobylu44 · 05/01/2021 18:51

Flipping phone!! Vector not vortex, that’d be worse!

Loobylu44 · 05/01/2021 18:52

No I am taking time off. That would be a ridiculous thing to do!

CheetasOnFajitas · 05/01/2021 18:53

@Loobylu44

No I am taking time off. That would be a ridiculous thing to do!
And how are you managing that? Not everyone can just “take time off”?
HerculesMuligan · 05/01/2021 18:53

@MessAllOver I must’ve missed that story - how awful. But unfortunately, not a surprise. And I guess for every actual death or serious injury there’s god knows how many near misses.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 05/01/2021 18:54

@Mum2b43
I completely support what you are saying. People are convincing themselves it is okay for you to continue working with groups of children as it suits them. I hope you can keep safe.

Loobylu44 · 05/01/2021 18:58

I am taking some time off and will then teach from home. I did the same last year.

howsoonisnow85 · 05/01/2021 18:59

The reason nurseries can stay open while schools close is because the bubbles of kids are much smaller (3 in my DDs nursery versus normal school class of about 30). The risk is much lower. It makes sense!

CheetasOnFajitas · 05/01/2021 19:01

@Loobylu44

I am taking some time off and will then teach from home. I did the same last year.
Teach preschool from home? How does that work?
tellytubby20 · 05/01/2021 19:04

but it is important to listen to chris whitty at today's conference. realistically - covid is not going away...it is here to stay. so unless we are all prepared to keep our kids off until 2023 - what choice is there.

the lockdown might not last until the summer but covid as a thing will. so yeah there is risk - but anyone under 50 will just have to live with it - today, tomorrow and thereafter...like we do with flu. it will take a long time to vaccinate the first 15million and most people we are talking about here are not in that category. that means the rest will take months......i am 40 - and even according to the previous calculator i will not be vaccinated until next September. Honestly, i cant keep my kid at home until then and work

angrysquirrel73 · 05/01/2021 19:06

HazelWong haha! Totally agree.

MarshaBradyo · 05/01/2021 19:06

@Hardbackwriter

This is the actual rationale given, in case anyone is interested. As I said, you can not believe it and think they're wrong re risks and mitigations etc., but it's just a lie to say 'they say they're just keeping them open so parents can work without distractions':

Following a meeting with children and families minister Vicky Ford earlier today, the DfE shared the below response:

The reason schools have been restricted is not that they are unsafe but because additional measures are needed to contain the spread of the virus. The wider restrictions in place as part of the national lockdown to contain the spread of the virus in the community enable us to continue prioritising keeping nurseries and childminders open, supporting parents and delivering the crucial care and education needed for our youngest children.

Early years settings remain low risk environments for children and staff. 0-5 year olds continue to have the lowest confirmed rates of coronavirus of all age groups, and there is no evidence that the new variant of coronavirus disproportionately affects young children.
Evidence shows that pre-school children are less susceptible to infection and are not playing a driving role in transmission. There is no evidence the new strain of the virus causes more serious illness in either children or adults and there continues to be strong evidence that children are much less susceptible to severe clinical disease than older people.

PHE advice remains that the risk of transmission and infection is low if early years settings follow the system of controls, which reduce risks and create inherently safer environments.

Early years settings have been open to all children since 1 June and there is no evidence that the early years sector has contributed to a rise in virus cases within the community. Early evidence from SAGE showed that early years provision had a smaller relative impact on transmission rate than primary schools, which in turn had a smaller relative impact than secondary schools.

Early years childcare providers were one of the first sectors to have restrictions lifted last summer, in recognition of the key role they play in society. Childminders and nursery staff across the country have worked hard to keep settings open through the pandemic so that young children can be educated, and parents can work. The earliest years are the most crucial point of child development and attending early education lays the foundation for lifelong learning and supports children’s social and emotional development. We continue to prioritise keeping early years settings open in full because of the clear benefits to children’s education and wellbeing and to support working parents. Caring for the youngest age group is not something that can be done remotely.

Ok thanks for this
Loobylu44 · 05/01/2021 19:11

Early years is actually 0 - 8, but I teach reception and year 1. Never said pre school. I have taught in pre school settings though and have had my own children who have attended various pre schools and nurseries. I won’t send my 3 year old because it isn’t a COVID secure environment. It can’t be.

FlorenceandZebedee · 05/01/2021 19:12

The lack of compassion for early years staff is sadly not unexpected. If we were a unionised profession and had a direct voice things would be different. government support in even providing basic PPE like gloves and aprons has been non existent. We have to regularly deal with snot, tears and support toileting. Our children want cuddles and contact because they’re 3 and 4 and how can they not? Yet we have parents, who don’t work, sending their children in anyway because they can, because their child enjoys nursery and needs stimulation. Not a thought is given for staff or the family of staff. The lockdown message is to stay at home unless it’s impossible not to. It is not impossible for many children to be at home yet they are still sent out. If the early years is so crucial why are staff dispensable? why do we not deserve measures to make our settings safe for both staff and children who need to attend?

MarshaBradyo · 05/01/2021 19:15

government support in even providing basic PPE like gloves and aprons

Tbf our nursery is a good employer with
PPE
Temp checks
Play outside all day
Small bubbles

It was stark relief to others. Maybe because it’s attached to a private school not sure. But as a business it’s looking after the staff I think