PM to decide tomorrow whether to put whole country back into full lockdown.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9109023/PM-decide-Monday-plunge-England-lockdown.html

@MarshaBradyo
SophieDahling Is there anyone on mumsnet who doesn’t want a full lockdown with school closures? It’s like a parallel universe here. Self-selecting threads, posters typing into an echo chamber. In the real-world, I don’t think parents want this. My DC attend three different schools, so I have three separate groups of parent friends and nobody is pleased about this. Everyone wants schools open and for our children to be educated. I just think posters avoid these threads because they’ll be shouted down by the paranoid “lock us down!” brigade .Same here

Ordinarily I would agree. But I think now is the time to take action as things have actually changed to a dangerous point at this stage.

On another note. When was the last time anybody heard "lead by science"???

When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Yes, the government gave people a days reprieve to be able to do limited mixing but it didnt take a genius to realise what an incredibly stupid thing it would be to do yet how many people still went ahead and did it because their situation trumps the rest of the nation.

I think it's unfair to bash Boris all of the time

He has presided over some of the worst death rates in the world with a particularly bad economic hit.

He fought, manoevered, back stabbed to get the job and has never had a good relationship with facts. However now he is in it he needs to own it.

In a pandemic one of the most important things to do is deliver clear communications and if news is bad, take the decision and get it out early. He can't even communicate clearly let alone make decision and own it.

What was that quote from one of pundits? Boris's problem is that he wanted to be PM, he wanted to have been PM - its the bit in the middle he struggles with.

A "war" which has killed less than 1000 under 60s withiut major underlying health conditions

You should be ashamed of yourself for trotting out that line!! My best friend is 30, healthy with a baby but has type 1 diabetes. If she died she would be classed as ‘having underlying conditions’. My little sister has lung damage from chemo after a rare stage 4 cancer in her early 20s. Should she be written off because of that? I’m sure her 2 children don’t think so.

Vile!

Numbers where I live in tier 4 have been falling for the last few days.

I wish someone more competent was in charge. Never thought I’d say it but I wish Tony Blair was PM again.

Has there been any talk of when an announcement will be made?

We need a calendar.

I'll start:

We are now on Day 13 since SAGE advised the government to lockdown and move learning on-line for the majority of children.

PS The public do not have the responsibility or means to put this into effect.

I know Johnson is the responsibility-evader par magnificence - but this really is his call. It's not our responsibility.

Bloody hell, do people like GreenlandTheMovie still not get it? Apart from their vile othering of and hate for anyone who is over 60 or has underlying health conditions, they still don't seem to understand the purpose of restrictions.

I think it's unfair to bash Boris all of the time.

He's stuffed whatever he does.

Hes stuffed because he's incapable of demonstrating leadership and a proven liar. If you keep making u turns, if you let your mates break the rules and then blame the public for misunderstanding what the rules were, if you're constantly failing to make decisions at the right time, then no one is going to trust you.

His actions have cost lives. Of course people would have died irrespective of what the government do, but not to this extent. I think people's reaction to him is mild, given the harm his incompetence has caused.

Lets hope he gets on with it. Previous months tell me he's going to drag his goblin feet in until the last minute.

@ermmm2021 I don't want schools to shut unless absolutely necessary. Let's face it, if they shut now we will be lucky if they re - open by February perhaps even March.
Cases are rising because people continue to mix. A virus needs a host. Tier 4 means stay at home,not go on a day trip to Snowdonia /your local beauty spot an hour plus away by car.

@southeastdweller

It's the result of the global pandemic not the lockdown.

Of course it isn’t. You imply that these restrictions were the only option!

Sorry to break it to you but any restriction-free response to a global pandemic would have also led to recession, unemployment, mental health problems and mass death.

@wanderings

Look at all the salivating over yet more lockdown! Enjoy the forthcoming recession, mass unemployment, suicides, and crisis of mental health that is going to be the result of your beloved eternal lockdown; to say nothing of traces of dictatorship lasting for years.

You have a remarkably weird way of interpreting text on the internet. I can’t see anyone ‘salivating ‘. There may be a few people who do thrive on the drama of this and enjoy the concept of lockdown but a lot of people are taking the approach that lockdown is shit but from where we are at the moment it is probably the right thing to do or things are going to get extremely bad the next few weeks.

Very few people get enjoyment from the whole thing , it’s just some people feel it’s the least bad of some extremely bad options. Just because someone has an opposing point of view to you does not mean they are salivating over something, things aren’t either or- many degrees in between.

It’s the same as people who if you criticise Johnson start going on about you being a Labour supporter. It’s very lazy thinking and not helping at a time when emotions are obviously running high.

Sorry to break it to you but any restriction-free response to a global pandemic would have also led to recession, unemployment, mental health problems and mass death

And also the possibility vital services collapsing if a number of the people that provide them all get ill at the same time. Imagine the chaos and panic that would cause.

Why don't people understand this?

@PicsInRed

This is being managed like the school council managing a tuck shop crisis.

This wins the pandemic response comment award for me 🤣

Seem to me people think the economy and money is more important that keeping people safe and well. What a sad world we live in.

Economies can be rebuilt over time - lost lives are lost for ever.

@MrsR87

If he locks down and closes schools after many schools have been back for one day, it really would make the mind boggle. One day of being back after a two week holiday is not going to make a difference to progress in the long term but one day of kids in schools and then back in their homes could transmit the virus to thousands!!! The mind boggles!

The only small silver lining in this is that a lot of schools will have an inset day today....so he'll probably wait until the end of the week so everyone has had a chance to be back and exchange germs!

'Sorry to break it to you but any restriction-free response to a global pandemic would have also led to recession, unemployment, mental health problems and mass death'

We have zero proof of this.

Restrictions will cause more underlying economic devastation as well as micro problems on an individual level, such as lack of childcare for instance.
Furlough can not last forever, there are no easy choices, fiscal inequality is being created by these lockdowns.
As for the health issues of those outside the mean age of death, it's a major issue. We've had an endemic underlying health issue in this country for decades.
The consequence's of this are an individual inability to cope with an illness such as covid.

@treedragon

Seem to me people think the economy and money is more important that keeping people safe and well. What a sad world we live in.

Economies can be rebuilt over time - lost lives are lost for ever.

Because less than 1000 people under 60 without serious underlying conditions have died from it?

FULL LOCKDOWN
does not exist.
Millions and millions of people are working hard all day every day

• to provide food and groceries
• to prepare meals
• to run care homes
• to run hospitals
• to provide utilities
• to provide emergency services
• to pack and deliver all the online shopping

Lockdown could only truly happen if all of those closed
which will never happen

Only the rich and office workers have the luxury of staying at home

I hope Boris does the right thing and issues a national lockdown.

It's the density of the population combined with the density of individuals who are spreading this because they either think they're invincible or don't give a shit about passing it onto other people.

Most don't even know what asymptomatic means - let alone that 1 in 3 people are asymptomatic.

I hope Boris does the right thing and issues a national lockdown.
What will you eat
and how will you turn your lights on if he does ?

Yes but them staying homes relieves pressure on the rest of us!

Scotland... Schools still shut announcement made weeks ago... Thankfully with devolution, sturgeon has the right to do as she pleases with matters of national health and schooling.