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lovelylittlepanda · 2021-01-03T17:56:46+00:00

So, childcare bubble, support bubble, separate Christmas bubble, changing your bubble, travelling to see your "bubbled" household etc. All allowed. All have highly technical fine print probably read by very few. Impact on Covid rates. Discuss. Disclaimer: we are in one. Wouldn't want to terminate it obvs.

trulydelicious · 03/01/2021 20:21

@Happychristmashohoho

they are quite high risk and allow excessive mixing between the at risk age groups (60+) and people who tend to be asymptomatic (children)

^This. This mixing should happen only when there is no other option

fluffi · 03/01/2021 20:24

@cherrypie790

There is no place for bubbles.

The virus will spread from one human to another regardless of who they are or why you are in contact with them.

Strongly disagree.

Support bubbles are like households, in some households the children have to go to school and not all in the household can WFH, plus people in the household have been going to the shops and other places so had a lot of interactions with people. Whereas my support bubble/household has been very fortunate to be able to limit virtually all interactions with people because we both live alone and WFH/retired. (other half of bubble is family who is ECV).

I only go out to get the prescriptions once a month, early in the morning and get everything else delivered. The other retired half of my bubble is too concerned for about long term health impact of covid to go for out for walks so hasn't been anywhere since March. (Shes not worried about covid killing her but is worried about ending up on oxygen or further organ damange if she caught covid)

If anything my bubble stopped me going out in the summer because they weren't comfortable me going socially distanced outdoor group exercise classes so I didn't go anywhere and therefore stayed further away from people more than if I wasn't bubbled. (After 6 months on my own at home I'd probably have risked the odd trip to the gym or office if I was not bubbled just for a bit of human contact!)

Therefore my support bubble isn't increasing transmission at all (probably reducing it by limiting my activites) so I disagree that there is "no place for bubbles".

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lovelylittlepanda · 03/01/2021 20:24

@Babysharkdoodoodood

Yeah. They're not bubbles. My son said this to his lecturer in a room of 30 other kids when she said we're all in a bubble: 'Nah. We're in a vector spreading Venn diagram'

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MistletoeandGin · 03/01/2021 20:25

There is no place for bubbles

The virus will spread from one human to another regardless of who they are or why you are in contact with them

And if life was just about preventing Covid transmission then you’d be absolutely right. But it’s not.

QueenPawPaws · 03/01/2021 20:25

I'm ECV and live alone so have a bubble. He's antisocial and mostly out dog walking, hates shopping and is the lowest risk person I could bubble with
I didn't bubble with my parents as they're of more risk to me due to their social life!

happystone · 03/01/2021 20:26

Bubbles are really a group of people who mix with out masks social distancing ect. The word bubble is spin to make people feel safe.

Swearlikemalcolmtucker · 03/01/2021 20:27

@LoudTree I have PND. I could have ended up in a really dark place without my mum acting as my support bubble. It’s not black and white.

happystone · 03/01/2021 20:29

Borris has a child under 1 that is why it’s included

MistletoeandGin · 03/01/2021 20:30

@happystone

Bubbles are really a group of people who mix with out masks social distancing ect. The word bubble is spin to make people feel safe.

everyone I know who is in a bubble is fully aware that it is a ‘group of people who mix without masks and social distancing’. They know that because they’re the ones doing it. Do you think people with support bubbles imagine that they’re floating around in actual Covid free bubbles? I wish I took enough drugs to believe that.

happystone · 03/01/2021 20:33

My friend was in a bubble whole bubble burst her mother died she said she will never forgive herself. I feel so sorry for her her MH is at a all time low , I have trued to help her and told her not her fault ect. Don’t no what else to do

MistletoeandGin · 03/01/2021 20:34

@happystone

My friend was in a bubble whole bubble burst her mother died she said she will never forgive herself. I feel so sorry for her her MH is at a all time low , I have trued to help her and told her not her fault ect. Don’t no what else to do

That’s very sad. My mum attempted suicide after spending 2 months in her house alone with no human interaction. I will never forgive myself for not going to visit her during lockdown just because the government told me not to.

FractionalGains · 03/01/2021 20:35

@MistletoeandGin

There is no place for bubbles

The virus will spread from one human to another regardless of who they are or why you are in contact with them

And if life was just about preventing Covid transmission then you’d be absolutely right. But it’s not.

Totally agree. Some people cannot see that there are considerations beyond covid rates.

happystone · 03/01/2021 20:35

I’m not saying anything wrong with bubbles but when something goes wrong it is devastating for everyone

Funkypolar · 03/01/2021 20:38

If I have to have a Caesarian section and my DH is deployed, I will have to be in a bubble with my parents. How would I even get home from the hospital?

XenoBitch · 03/01/2021 20:40

@happystone

My friend was in a bubble whole bubble burst her mother died she said she will never forgive herself. I feel so sorry for her her MH is at a all time low , I have trued to help her and told her not her fault ect. Don’t no what else to do

That is sad, and I am sorry for your friend's loss. But many lose people that have followed the guidelines all the time. That does not mean those particular guidelines should be abolished/changed. After all, they were brought in to lessen the pressure on the NHS, not eliminate Covid or deaths.

Just continue to be a good friend and be there for your pal

happystone · 03/01/2021 20:40

Mistleandgin. I am so sorry that happened to your mother I hope she is better. I am not against bubbles. Every one has to do what they think is right.I’m just saying they can go terribly wrong

funksoulmother · 03/01/2021 20:48

Know a family who used the “child under 1” bubble card to invite other friends to stay with them for a few days (tier 4).
My DH works 6am-late and I am a SAHM so I am effectively solo parent Mon-Fri with two at home full time, yet have no bubble card to play as both of my children are over 1 but under school age. It’s incredibly isolating, and I totally understand the need for single parent/new parent bubbles. Just wish I could have one of my own for some support/human interaction which doesn’t involve freezing my a** off in a playground and attempting some form of conversation whilst supervising two toddlers!!!

redcandlelight · 03/01/2021 20:57

I'm not against bubbles, in certain situations it makes sense to do so.

but some people have weird ideas and think having 2 or more 'bubbles' on the go is fine and dandy

Haenow · 03/01/2021 21:14

[quote trulydelicious]@Amidone

many people in support bubbles are also people who are at increased risk due to advanced age and health

Agree, this is a problem. Forming bubbles with grandparents (when they are 65+ years) or the vulnerable should be done as a last resort[/quote]
@trulydelicious

Have you been shielding? Shielding was from 23 March to 1 August, re-instated throughout all of November and then again just before Christmas for another month (until 18 January) for tier 4 in England. Some people have been completely and utterly isolated.

Swearlikemalcolmtucker · 03/01/2021 22:06

Also it’s not just for parents of babies under 1. There’s a caveat that says you can form a support bubble if you live with a child under 1 or if the child was under 1 on the 2nd December 2020.

samandpoppysmummy · 03/01/2021 22:09

I am a single parent (widow) and I am in a bubble with a friend who is a single mum. It has kept us both sane! I have no family nearby and I would be on my own all the time with two screen-addicted teenagers otherwise.

Ibizababyy · 03/01/2021 22:44

@LoudTree said by someone who clearly hasn’t given birth amidst the pandemic. If they had never changed the rules on support bubbles my 10 month old would never have had any interaction with anyone other than myself, dh and his brother. I mean it came 9 months too late, I could have done with a support bubble at the start when I was trying to home school a 4 year old whilst feeding a newborn and recovering from labour but better late than never!

Quaagars · 03/01/2021 23:13

Is the word bubble starting to lose all fucking meaning the more it's spouted lol
I feel like going all Monica
"THAT'S NOT EVEN A WORD!!!"
lol

Quaagars · 03/01/2021 23:17

Some people cannot see that there are considerations beyond covid rates

So true, don't get me wrong I've been following all the rules/guidelines, but sometimes it's more to it than that - what about everyone's mental health/care needs?
I've said all along right from when it all started I think people's mental health is going to suffer and it seems like I'm right, but I never wanted to be

nex18 · 04/01/2021 00:03

It’s not the bubbles that are the problem but those who misinterpret the guidelines. I don’t think it helps that they’re all called “bubble”.
I’m a single parent of teenagers, I’m in a support bubble with my dp who is a single parent of teenagers. Between us we make 6.
If my bubble is a danger then so are households with 6 and anyone living in larger households should get some to move out. Or maybe not because that would be ridiculous, just as ridiculous as stopping me from seeing my partner.
I really think that any “bubble” which would otherwise need professional support is completely valid (childcare or parenting support, care of elderly or disabled, low level emotional health support).