Keir Starmer calls for immediate lockdown in England

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/03/keir-starmer-calls-for-immediate-lockdown-in-england-as-covid-cases-soar

lol he had better sort out the infrastructure first. Because a lot of broadband services cant cope now.

@cyclingmad Would you prefer a shorter harsh lockdown, or many more months of the current measures? It's the latter that will cause the most harm, in terms of finances and health.

@Kazzyhoward Agreed, but I don't see it happening. Sunak seems to be the latest to have gone into hiding.

@EssentialHummus

So we can expect Boris to talk shit to him on Wednesday followed by him promptly locking down on Friday then? What a shower of shite.

This gets my vote. I reckon it’ll be called Tier 4+.

Soopah-doopah world-beating tier 4

@Bluntness100

I think a Christmas lag would have been seen by now. Everyone is back at work.

In addition, as much as they are low on weekends, we can do weekend to weekend comparisons. And on the spring peak they were much much higher than this. For less cases.

This is incorrect. This is what covid denial looks like!

Christmas transmission will appear in cases numbers now - which is why cases are so very high, over 50k for the last six (?) days - since about four days after Christmas.

The people who caught it on Christmas Day will begin to die two to three weeks later - so starting next week.

Also the spring peak had lower cases numbers because we weren't testing until you arrived in hospital.

It genuinely scares me how little people understand, or want to understand.

And don’t forget, the 50,000+ cases over the last few days will appear in the daily death tally in about 3 weeks time, sadly.

@Bluntness100

I think a Christmas lag would have been seen by now. Everyone is back at work.

In addition, as much as they are low on weekends, we can do weekend to weekend comparisons. And on the spring peak they were much much higher than this. For less cases.

I’m not sure why you think everyone is back at work? A large portion of people wouldn’t be back to work until Monday and figures tend to be delayed by a few weeks. The scientific advisors have even said they’re expecting to see the effects of Christmas mixing next week.

What exactly does he mean? Locked in our homes? The Tier rules are not being adhered to.

Schools are the absolute priority.

The changes since March are less to do with the severity of restrictions and more to do with people being less afraid. Back in March the streets were empty because a lot more people were scared to venture outside and basically imposed a hard lockdown on themselves. That's not the case any more. Trying to recreate the March lockdown is doomed to fail without societal intervention that wouldn't be acceptable to most people.

@Bluntness100

I think a Christmas lag would have been seen by now. Everyone is back at work.

In addition, as much as they are low on weekends, we can do weekend to weekend comparisons. And on the spring peak they were much much higher than this. For less cases.

Too soon for recent high numbers to translate to deaths.

How would the economy survive post lockdown again ?

Good.

A key difference between lockdown and tiers is that it's U.K.-wide, so gets ahead of the rise in infection in those areas that are not yet so badly affected.

If you are in one of those areas where your hospitals aren't strained - thank your lucky stars.

As someone who works in an absolutely non-essential retail job, I’d welcome a proper lockdown that left only supermarkets open (given that they truly are essential) . Like teachers, I’m scared. Lots of retail workers who are still working are scared. People don’t follow the rules, some don’t keep their distance, some don’t wear masks. My store was closed in the first lockdown but my employers have since found a ridiculous loophole. I’m now out there everyday. I fear catching the virus, bringing it home to my family, the longterm effects. Of course my job matters to me but at this moment I’m more scared for my health. With a vaccine here, it would seem sensible to me to go into full (March-style) lockdown for a month or so, get numbers under control, get more people vaccinated and emerge into a safer world, albeit one with a massively damaged economy (I do appreciate that, and the longterm effects).

@cyclingmad totally agree. Totally sick of it

We need national measures, patchwork here and there doesn’t work any more. The figures in my area are rising dramatically so we will end up in stricter measures anyway. I would rather do 2-3 weeks now and have less deaths than 4 weeks later and lots of deaths. The problem is that people who are going into hospitals now won’t come out of them in 2 days so the situation will be worse for the NHS at the end of January.
And I’m thinking about economy as well. Atm I’m too scared to go out to shops or visit places. I’m not going to contribute anything until the figures are lower.

@Puppylucky

The changes since March are less to do with the severity of restrictions and more to do with people being less afraid. Back in March the streets were empty because a lot more people were scared to venture outside and basically imposed a hard lockdown on themselves. That's not the case any more. Trying to recreate the March lockdown is doomed to fail without societal intervention that wouldn't be acceptable to most people.

I agree with this. People were stoked up into a frenzy of fear. Now they have realised that, actually, relatively few people catch Covid. Even fewer have a bad case of it. Even fewer die of it.

Most people have worked out that they are better off having something of a life and taking the Covid risk on the chin - just as we have always taken risks when going out (risks of car accidents, being run over by a bus, train crashes, plane crashes, catching flu/norovirus, being hit on the head by a falling chimney pot, etc, etc, etc).

Too soon for recent high numbers to translate to deaths

That’s not true, it’s been over three weeks now.

Every time Starmer has made a call like that, Johnson has done it within a couple of weeks, because when Starmer makes the call he's doing it with a degree of certainity that the writing is on the wall and its an inevitability.

Take note.

Yes, how do we stop people from breaking the rules? We are far too soft. Until there are real consequences to breaking them this isn’t going to work.

We cannot even stop people from going out to the shops family en masse for a day out. We let people walk around without masks because they just might be exempt. It doesn’t mean that they won’t pass on the virus!

Until we can stop these things people are going to behave more and more selfishly. And I agree - March was a life time ago.

The death numbers are lower than I’d expect to see from this many cases. It would look like they are better at treating it

There is a 2-4 lag on death rate increase after infection increases.

*2-4 week lag

@Bluntness100

Too soon for recent high numbers to translate to deaths

That’s not true, it’s been over three weeks now.

Not in the NW it hasn't.

Numbers only started to go up again about 3 weeks ago. They had got quite low in a lot of areas.

They have started to look ugly again in the last couple of days post Christmas.

So NW is looking at 2 to 3 weeks from now it being BAD.

That ties in with predictions that the entire NHS will be overwhelmed by 12th January (and this is already baked in).

@Kazzyhoward

If they do another lockdown, then they really need to sort out the self employed support so that the 3 million excluded finally get some support in the hope that fewer people will lose their savings, their businesses and their homes. The crazy support system has given loads of money to people who don't need so much and very little, if any, to the 3 million excluded.

This.

I'm in tier 4 and I really can't see the difference (schools aside) between this and lockdown in terms of actual regulations. I think it feels different out there because of the level of compliance. People aren't prepared to stay at home in the same way as they were in March. I'm not sure what the answer to that is? Curfews or limits of 1km from place of residence like in France?

Keir Starmer is a week ahead of Boris, time Boris took notice or there will be more Uturns.