Retired nurse willing to vaccinate... but..

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So I've rejoined the temporary register and looked at joining nhsp so I can vaccinate.

They're expecting me to complete online training (all of which I've done before when employed) which I know is about 2 days worth before they will proceed with application.

About 90% is irrelevant.

Feeling very fed up.

If after 40 years you expected the NHS to become less bureaucratic for your convenience... Well, what did you expect after 40 years exposure to NHS bureaucracy?

A lot of this stuff is about protecting the vulnerable. So everyone gets firetraining, because this reduces the odds that someone will prop open a fire door or block an escape route. Relevant if working in a village hall where boxes of vaccines and consent forms are being lugged in and out, and where frail patients will be attending.

Child protection is there because of a number of high profile cases, where kids died in essence because each of the clinicians who saw them decided, "Those bruises are a bit funny... nahhh, that's the paediatrician/the GP/the consultant's responsibility." So EVERYONE gets child protection training, which basically is "Yes, it is your responsibility, these are the things to look out for, and this is how to get help if you're worried". Preventing radicalisation is similar except it's teenagers and vulnerable adults, largely, who are at risk. Everyone has to have it precisely so noone thinks it isn't their problem.

As others have said, if you already know the material then click through the assessment and done. I do this stuff every year. It takes me two hours, max. Or don't. But expecting the NHS to change is unrealistic.

But kids aren’t getting the vaccine so no vaccinators will see a child. The thing which annoys me is I have to do all this at work every year, but my certificates aren’t good enough. I actually teach BLS, prevent, infection control, etc!

They make it so difficult for people to help. It's almost as though this government enjoys everyone living through this awful pandemic.

@Motorina

If after 40 years you expected the NHS to become less bureaucratic for your convenience... Well, what did you expect after 40 years exposure to NHS bureaucracy?

A lot of this stuff is about protecting the vulnerable. So everyone gets firetraining, because this reduces the odds that someone will prop open a fire door or block an escape route. Relevant if working in a village hall where boxes of vaccines and consent forms are being lugged in and out, and where frail patients will be attending.

Child protection is there because of a number of high profile cases, where kids died in essence because each of the clinicians who saw them decided, "Those bruises are a bit funny... nahhh, that's the paediatrician/the GP/the consultant's responsibility." So EVERYONE gets child protection training, which basically is "Yes, it is your responsibility, these are the things to look out for, and this is how to get help if you're worried". Preventing radicalisation is similar except it's teenagers and vulnerable adults, largely, who are at risk. Everyone has to have it precisely so noone thinks it isn't their problem.

As others have said, if you already know the material then click through the assessment and done. I do this stuff every year. It takes me two hours, max. Or don't. But expecting the NHS to change is unrealistic.

For my convenience? That made me laugh.

Strangely after 40 years and becoming rather senior as well as experienced I did realise what stat man is for.

I also learned to question things.

YANBU OP, it is ridiculous the barriers that are being put in place. The only questions should be 1) do you already know how to safely administer a vaccine, and if not 2) do you have a clinical background which means you could learn in a week or less?

The rest is irrelevant to pandemic times.

I'm having a nightmare trying to get through all the bureaucracy, 3 x half days online training (of stuff I actually teach to others) plus having to find documented evidence of childhood immunisation status, plus dbs taking ages. I'm losing the will with it, I'm a qualified nurse only recently left practice who teaches other qualified nurses, was going to volunteer a couple of weekend days a month and a few evenings (work full time) didn't realise I'd be spending evenings completing endless mandatory training etc (although I know some is inevitable). There's far more red tape than any other role I've applied for in the recent past.

@HermioneWeasley

YANBU OP, it is ridiculous the barriers that are being put in place. The only questions should be 1) do you already know how to safely administer a vaccine, and if not 2) do you have a clinical background which means you could learn in a week or less?

The rest is irrelevant to pandemic times.

Ahhh. The voice of reason.

If it's like my work training I jump to the quiz at end typically, don't watch a minute of the rest of the vids, or leave it running while I clean house if I have to let it run.

@lljkk

If it's like my work training I jump to the quiz at end typically, don't watch a minute of the rest of the vids, or leave it running while I clean house if I have to let it run.

And that's my point exactly. Totally worthless.

@lljkk

If it's like my work training I jump to the quiz at end typically, don't watch a minute of the rest of the vids, or leave it running while I clean house if I have to let it run.

Me too. I don't see it as a big deal. We all just get on with it.

It was far more time consuming before training could be done online.

It's absolutely crazy op. I saw on the news today they need to vaccinate 2 million people a day, how on earth they will achieve this when every HCP has to complete several hours of irrelevant training is beyond me. I've heard one of the modules is conflict resolution, how much conflict do they think you will be dealing with, vaccinating people who want the vaccine??

@divafever99

It's absolutely crazy op. I saw on the news today they need to vaccinate 2 million people a day, how on earth they will achieve this when every HCP has to complete several hours of irrelevant training is beyond me. I've heard one of the modules is conflict resolution, how much conflict do they think you will be dealing with, vaccinating people who want the vaccine??

They complete the training before application.

And with regards to conflict, I can only imagine you don't work with the public.

Some of them will kick off about anything and of course some will have mental health issues/ other issues etc that can sometimes make them violent.

And don't even start me on the anti vaccine protesters who turned up when my dad had his, although obviously the police/security dealt with them.

Until someone like Boris or Hancock steps in and TELLS them to ignore xxx training courses the NHS bum covering won’t be removed.

You do realise that these people run cottage industries with regard to their roles.

I totally see where you are coming from OP. I love being a nurse but have some many frustrations with the red tape and meetings to plan meetings approach in the NHS. I really hoped covid would have stripped out some of the layers (I did for some things at the start) but no. My aunt, an experience nurse trained in ECMO, retired last year and rejoined the temporary register attended 2 days to do all the mandatory training online and is still waiting for a shift and to be paid by the bank for the mandatory training sessions. I get that it’s the CYA culture and it is so litigious but equally in a global pandemic with things the way they are you would think think they would bite your hands off. The people who are saying ‘we all do stuff for free/in our own time’ I understand that, I wouldn’t like to think about how much I am owed for all the unpaid overtime on the wards over the years. However this is a big problem in the NHS it has become expected that staff will stay over/do extra etc and keep the wheels turning, the thing runs on good will but the good will is running low.

@divafever99

It's absolutely crazy op. I saw on the news today they need to vaccinate 2 million people a day, how on earth they will achieve this when every HCP has to complete several hours of irrelevant training is beyond me. I've heard one of the modules is conflict resolution, how much conflict do they think you will be dealing with, vaccinating people who want the vaccine??

Actually this is quite a useful course. And you could well get conflict. Everyone that deals with the public know this I’m applying as a steward and suspect they’ll be conflict of some sort some of the time from those queuing, having to wait in rain, so and so jumping the queue, please can you do my grandma first etc, maybe having to turn people away. Obviously I hope not but better to be prepared and have some training on a good approach to deescalate tensions before they arise. I think mostly people will be good natured in the whole.

If we're talking about nurses returning with years of experience do we really need conflict resolution training?! Or Prevent? Or similar?! We're being asked to rejoin the register because we've been registered recently, we're not some wet behind the ears school leavers who need our hand holding dealing with the public!

No peace you seem so antagonist towards doing the training. For me it’s no big deal. I’m also not wet behind the ears as I’ve worked front line for 30 years.
Anyway, if you don’t want to do it as you feel you are above it all, I guess that is fine but really you could have done half the courses in the time you’ve spent complaining on here.

@sashagabadon

No peace you seem so antagonist towards doing the training. For me it’s no big deal. I’m also not wet behind the ears as I’ve worked front line for 30 years. Anyway, if you don’t want to do it as you feel you are above it all, I guess that is fine but really you could have done half the courses in the time you’ve spent complaining on here.

Sadly not. I'd have needed to buy a laptop

On the other hand, if the NHS don't go through this process, presumably there'll be far more ammunition for the anti-vax people the first time something goes wrong in the process??

"But expecting the NHS to change is unrealistic."

Ain't that the truth.

hopefulhalf

To be honest everyone I know (current NHS employees) has said they would be happy to vaccinate, our trust is reploying sheilding/ vunerable staff to run the vaccination programme. My understanding is the bottle neck is the supply of the vaccines themselves not those weilding needles. Extra shifts on AMU or the COVID wards however......

Are they vaccinating the shielding staff first?

Yup

Meanwhile, the volunteers involved in the mass testing in schools don't even need a DBS check. Because obviously nothing can go wrong when shoving a cotton bud up a child's nose...

I hate all the online learning! Does anyone ever remember any (of the mostly irrelevant) information once they've completed the tests?!

Oh and also well done for stepping in!

@sashagabadon - just out of interest is the steward role a voluntary one or paid?