Headteacher unions begin legal proceedings against DfE

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NAHT and ASCL start legal proceedings against DfE

But even if the government was providing laptops to disadvantaged kids, that still doesn't mean that non-disadvantaged families will have enough laptops/wifi to go around everyone.

My family is pretty tech heavy and wouldn't be able to have both kids on laptops doing live lessons and my DH on his work meetings at the same time.

I can understand where they are coming from, however, we had zero support from school during the last lockdown and I expect it will be much the same next time.

I think -in general- older sec students would really benefit from some level of asynchronous learning. They would really have to take responsibility for their learning.
Caveat: just dropping them in and expecting them not to sink is silly, so it's more like a generalized concept not just for now, but in any context....

Why would live lessons be and idea?

For my school catchment:

• parents wfh so need the flexibility to access the remote learning at times which suit them, not at set times
• parents with more than one child as need more than one device available and/or parent support for more than one child at a time.
• lack of money to pay for WiFi and necessary tech to access them
• trying to keep 30 infant school aged pupils engaged in live remote learning can be challenging for obvious reasons; few can access it without support so it takes up a lot of parent time too

For our parents it was that they prefer the flexibility of non live lessons overall.

noblegiraffe

You've been deleted once already, Flax, I suggest you knock it on the head now

Excuse me but this is an open debate forum, and you are not speaking to one of your pupils now

Keep reporting all the pp you disagree with, it does not change the definition of what a "walkout" is. It's a strike

Flax

What is your job?

I think live lessons are great, for those who attend.

Unfortunately, all the live lesson provision we have trialled as a school (in the summer and last term when groups were isolating) has been very poorly attended, and students haven't used the recordings either.

So, we've made the decision as a school not to do live lessons next week, but to focus on providing work in other ways, such as short video explanations, narrated powerpoints, and other work that students can access at any time. This seems to have a much higher completion rate from our students. We provide support via email and SMHW.

If the closures continue, I expect we will try more live lessons again, but we have to go with the method that gets most engagement from our students.

The Gov were supposed to be providing that kit

Our infant school did not receive a single device, let alone enough to cover all the families who don't have sufficient tech in their homes.

'was impressed by the live lessons my kids received post September when their bubbles broke. Very engaging and restored my faith in the school's capabilities'

Yes our school has been brilliant. Tbh ours feel they learn more remotely as there isn’t any disruption. Obviously harder if WiFi isn't available or if only one laptop at home.

Keep reporting all the pp you disagree with, it does not change the definition of what a "walkout" is. It's a strike

Likewise you keeping on posting that a section 44 walk out is a strike does not change its definition either. It is a walk out and not a strike whether you like that or not.

@moomin11

I can understand where they are coming from, however, we had zero support from school during the last lockdown and I expect it will be much the same next time.

Ask to see your schools remote learning offer/plan. As off the end of October they have to have one. The guidelines changed at that point.

you are not speaking to one of your pupils now

That's obvious. My pupils actually respond to feedback and make corrections when they've gone wrong.

@Flaxmeadow

noblegiraffe

You've been deleted once already, Flax, I suggest you knock it on the head now

Excuse me but this is an open debate forum, and you are not speaking to one of your pupils now

Keep reporting all the pp you disagree with, it does not change the definition of what a "walkout" is. It's a strike

Legally, it's not a strike, though.

And legal definitions matter here.

WherethebejesusisGav
Flax
What is your job

Retail. Why?

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

My ds school has supplied tech so maybe this varies from school to school a couple of schools round here you have to purchase a chromebook when you start

We supplied all of the tech that we had during the first lockdown.

We are lucky that we had it to lend out. but we still had loads of pupils that didn't have any access to the internet.

We have badgered and bullied the government to get more laptops for pupils.

Some have arrived, half were unusable because they were password protected and no-one knew the passwords.

Luckily our tech support are very good.

But we still don't have enough computers for all the pupils.

It's getting weird, I've been with the class all day but I think in light of the new strain I'll have to go and sit in car too.

'Ahh. Ok. You’re clearly just attacking teachers for anything they say or do'

Oh no, you misunderstand. I've a lot of respect for some teachers, I've come across many proactive and capable ones. I don't think mn is representative tbh, but then I haven't come across strange mils or parking wars with neighbours either.

Retail. Why?

It’s always good to know what expertise posters have.

You don’t have any relevant to teaching, so your opinions are irrelevant.

I wouldn’t dream of treating people who work in retail the way you are currently treating teachers.

@noblegiraffe my oldest ds does all his on phone , assignments the lot he rarely uses the one pc , how I don't know
I think in general more secondary have available tech, there are not many round here who don't have a smart phone ( usually better than mine )

Flaxmeadow

You do know that similar does not mean the same as?

That's obvious. My pupils actually respond to feedback and make corrections when they've gone wrong

It seems to me, anyone who disagrees with you is "wrong".

'You don’t have any relevant to teaching, so your opinions are irrelevant.'

Not at me but, what? She doesn't 'have any relevant to teaching'? You seriously believe you must be in a profession to have an opinion. How does that work then, so you have no opionion whatsoever for example on drs, nurses, prime misters, education ministers or hairdressers?

You must do the job to have an opinion. Riiiiight.

my oldest ds does all his on phone

That's not great. He certainly wouldn't be able to participate fully in my live lessons on a phone.

@WherethebejesusisGav they aren't irrelevant if she is also a parent and tax payer at the end of the day and thats coming from someone who supports it , everyone is entitled to an opinion and can see explain how they see it
You can't just dismiss someone just because , I mean loads of teachers have told others what its like working in supermarkets , nhs etc
The reality is its shit pretty much everywhere and someone like me who lost a job in march and still looking ( just doing temp as and when) and money is getting very tight , I would prob work somewhere unsafe ( some temp
Ones haven't been great) as financially I am getting to the point of not a lot of choice

Good.