Headteacher unions begin legal proceedings against DfE

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NAHT and ASCL start legal proceedings against DfE

It's not a strike

A strike was what the quote I replied to was saying. But not only that, even worse, saying others should organise and threaten strike action too. A general strike Disgraceful

Do teachers seriously think by threatening action that they would get any sympathy whatsoever from the general public. If they think they can use the threat of strike action as a lever on demands, they're very much in a state of delusion.

So they have no bargaining tool. So what's the point of the demands? Because they are on a road to nowhere with this

@Flaxmeadow

The NEU's walkout is on the basis of section 44 - health and safety. Other industries could also organise walkouts on the same basis.

What an absolutely disgusting proposition

I've been in unions. I cut my teeth in them back in the 1980s. I came from a heavily unionised area in the north of England. Started work at 16 and straight into a closed shop militant union situation. Had family who were coal miners. Supported them to the hilt against Thatcher. Ive stood on picket lines and protested

But what you're saying here is an absolute fucking disgrace. We are in the worst crisis since WW2. Children are suffering, not just from lack of education but from abuse at home going unchecked, from no contact with their peers and you want this!!!! You want to make this crisis situation worse and worse for our most vulnerable

Shame on anyone who would strike now

Thanks for picking out one line out of context. I'm not keen to join in a walk out, for what it's worth. Because my individual school has put in reasonable measures (despite these, I am still recovering from covid, as are 5 colleagues).

I said that other industries could organise a walkout. I also pointed out that they won't because they are safer than schools.

How is continuing to go to large gatherings in schools our way out of this crisis?

A walkout is to demand better conditions, not to refuse to work. You don't seem to understand the point of this industrial actions. It is about demanding safety for our schools and communities. It will not last long as the point is to force government action.

@Flaxmeadow

It's not a strike

A strike was what the quote I replied to was saying. But not only that, even worse, saying others should organise and threaten strike action too. A general strike Disgraceful

Do teachers seriously think by threatening action that they would get any sympathy whatsoever from the general public. If they think they can use the threat of strike action as a lever on demands, they're very much in a state of delusion.

So they have no bargaining tool. So what's the point of the demands? Because they are on a road to nowhere with this

No, I didn't mention a strike.

So they have no bargaining tool. So what's the point of the demands? Because they are on a road to nowhere with this

Health and safety legislation.

@Flaxmeadow

It's not a strike

A strike was what the quote I replied to was saying. But not only that, even worse, saying others should organise and threaten strike action too. A general strike Disgraceful

Do teachers seriously think by threatening action that they would get any sympathy whatsoever from the general public. If they think they can use the threat of strike action as a lever on demands, they're very much in a state of delusion.

So they have no bargaining tool. So what's the point of the demands? Because they are on a road to nowhere with this

It’s about Health and Safety in a Global Pandemic.

It’s about preserving essential services including Primary Schools and Education in that context @Flaxmeadow

@BobBobBobbing

Parent of a y5, y7 and y9 here and fully support the section 44 approach and the desire to work to improve safety in schools. I've seen the things that have had to be put in place to make our offices covid secure and what is in place in schools wouldn't meet those standards. The government have been treating teachers with contempt.

Thank you 😊

Before everyone is too overwhelmed with illness.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@FrippEnos I have defended and backed teachers but I don't see turning on each other very helpful
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Say that to the GP on the thread and those that only listen too and post about the sound bites.

The education of the children won't be stopping, it may not be as good as F2F but if its ok to say that about schools then lets say it about GPs because its equally as true.

@noblegiraffe but some if that isn't saying what ?
We can't reduce class sizes , blended learning cannot be maintained for months , we don't have spare teachers to set up
Spare schools / classrooms
Realitsitcally most other professions have masks and maybe sd for some
Also mass testing and vaccinations don't all places want this
The pcr tests not sure if nhs or care workers , prison officers get this
And regards to vaccinations again loads of professions could argue they need it
The vaccination regime is about protecting the nhs , less ill people etc
I don't think realistically it could all be given , then what if poilce officers , nhs , prison staff all asked the same we just don't have the resources

How do you have a full lockdown if schools are open?

The same way we have NHS staff working, police, food retail, social services etc still working during lockdown or so you think they've all been sat on their backsides for the last 10 months? I see a child's need to be in school, especially primary, and for teachers to keep working as important as social services and the police.

@Flaxmeadow

How do you have a full lockdown if schools are open?

The same way we have NHS staff working, police, food retail, social services etc still working during lockdown or so you think they've all been sat on their backsides for the last 10 months? I see a child's need to be in school, especially primary, and for teachers to keep working as important as social services and the police.

But SAGE said the Nov lockdown didn't stop the cases rising in Kent.

@noblegiraffe you state health and safety legislation which I get but nowhere is covid safe and many other professions could say we want the same then and that just isn't possible
A hard lockdown is only way to get numbers down , then introduce some measures
But are teachers more deserved of a vaccine than a dr or prison officer or poilcemen or someone who works in a supermarket but cev

@RigaBalsam november wasn't a proper lockdown
Lockdowns that work are like march ones
Currently my local tesco is like a day out attraction

But are teachers more deserved of a vaccine than a dr or prison officer or poilcemen or someone who works in a supermarket but cev

Teachers aren't even anywhere on the list for a vaccine. Some of those you have listed are.

Do you not think they should be on the list at all?

You’re never going to have everybody on board, some people believe we should just let the virus do it’s thing, some believe it doesn’t even exist.
In my opinion the unions should continue to press for the release of the SAGE report. If the government are not following the advice of their own scientific advisors surely most people see the problem with that?

@Flaxmeadow

How do you have a full lockdown if schools are open?

The same way we have NHS staff working, police, food retail, social services etc still working during lockdown or so you think they've all been sat on their backsides for the last 10 months? I see a child's need to be in school, especially primary, and for teachers to keep working as important as social services and the police.

These essential workers often need primary school keyworker places, if we wait for the Christmas mixing and new variant to do it’s thing then some other essential services risk imminent collapse, it’s a slippery slope @Flaxmeadow so best to preserve these now where we can?

@Flaxmeadow

How do you have a full lockdown if schools are open?

The same way we have NHS staff working, police, food retail, social services etc still working during lockdown or so you think they've all been sat on their backsides for the last 10 months? I see a child's need to be in school, especially primary, and for teachers to keep working as important as social services and the police.

Not comparable at the moment though is it. My understanding is that all those employment groups you stated, are at a minimum allowed to wear ppe. School staff and teachers in classrooms are not, as the DfE decree that it is a barrier to the learning experience.

Why is it ok that teachers and schools have a less secure and safe working environment than others?

No, I didn't mention a strike.

I was replying to this. So tell me, what is meant by "walkout", if it doesnt mean strike action?

The NEU's walkout is on the basis of section 44 - health and safety. Other industries could also organise walkouts on the same basis

@noblegiraffe yes they should be in the list we all should in reality
But i still think cev people should be first and some teachers will be in this equation
But we have limited supplies at the moment and i do think also nhs need to be first

So tell me, what is meant by "walkout", if it doesnt mean strike action?

It means working from home providing remote education instead of in an unsafe school.

Strike action is withdrawal of labour.

@Lemons1571 but teachers want more than just masks which is all most professions have
Poilce can't ask a criminal to put on a mask first or an emergency worker

@Flaxmeadow

No, I didn't mention a strike.

I was replying to this. So tell me, what is meant by "walkout", if it doesnt mean strike action?

The NEU's walkout is on the basis of section 44 - health and safety. Other industries could also organise walkouts on the same basis

Refusal to attend work on Health and Safety grounds.

The royal college of nursing said they'd support nurses walking out.

Not one person I know anywhere in RL on on internet said that was wrong. In fact people blamed government for not providing PPE.

Why are teachers different?

@Flaxmeadow

No, I didn't mention a strike.

I was replying to this. So tell me, what is meant by "walkout", if it doesnt mean strike action?

The NEU's walkout is on the basis of section 44 - health and safety. Other industries could also organise walkouts on the same basis

neu.org.uk/press-releases/call-all-primary-schools-england-move-learning-online

Actually, to be fair, walkout is not the correct word either. There is no proposed strike action by the NEU (the largest teaching union in England).

Noble clarified it better!