I fucking knew it. Second vaccine dose.

[NiceGerbil]

News is that people who have had first dose are only getting second 3 months later. Against the guidelines of the org who made the vaccine.

I said this rush to push it out would result in, how are they going to follow up and make sure they get the second?

And here we go. Second dose not organised. UK govt say this is AOK.

FFS. I'd rather they took the time to do it properly. But hey. Pissup in a brewery situation again.

I said a few days ago to DH. Are they properly tracking this to make sure the follow up jab isn't missed?

I was too optimistic. Govt have decided second jab isn't that important.

FFS.

So bearing in mind that JCVI have just said it's the supply where problems lie, it's them who are being deceitful?

Not necessarily. Both things are probably true. The supply issues mean that there is space capacity in the current infrastructure. If the manufacturers are actually able to live up to their promise of 2 million doses per week we will need a bigger system for delivery, which I would hope is in the final stages of planning - bear in mind a number of posters are reporting mass vaccination centres being set up in their localities.

[quote Oaktree55]@RedToothBrush I am certainly not an anti vaxer!!!

I think our Government has led us from one disastrous decision to the next and can see the vaccination issue being the next.

I’ve made it very clear I think the other vaccine candidates are amazing including Novavax in all likelihood[/quote]
Why do you keep banging on about Novavax - are you the CEO? Do you have multiple shares? Or as a pp stated, do you have history with Oxford Vaccine Group? It's just weird.

@Puzzledandpissedoff
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that everyone is now playing the blame game, it’s been the governments strategy the entire way through the pandemic. The public are blamed for “not following the rules” (which clearly weren't strong enough or clear enough or were/are completely unenforceable) and “don’t kill granny”, rather than the government failure to adequately shut down borders early, quarantine wasn’t put in place until June, everyone go “eat out to help out” (and spread the virus) and they didn’t plan for the pressure that covid was so obviously going to put on the NHS in the winter (and seem entirely surprised by it!)

The vaccine roll out will just be the latest in the “not our fault” it didn’t work....

Only read the last few pages ... but Hancock said in May 100m ordered, 30m by Sept.
In November it dropped to 4m by end of 2020, now its 500k, with millions more "by February"

As for infrastructure, we have known about a vaccine since May but did SFA to get facilities and staff ready to roll at short notice.... why am i not surprised?

@jasjas1973 exactly! Yet the media / MPs seem unable to hold the government to account!

[quote Oaktree55]@MarshaBradyo I’m not sure of the detail probably they still have National Service I think so use Army a lot.

I’m honestly just exasperated and if I vent it’s because I don’t understand why the papers, the TV general public aren’t up in arms over so much. We just roll from one disaster to the next and everyone just accepts it.

I will very happily take my vaccine when the time eventually comes.[/quote]
But I thought you said on another thread that you wouldn't take the oxford one because you had safety concerns about it?

(Not in them exact words but there abouts)

If I were the government I would have made the same decision. They want to stop the NHS being overwhelmed and surely the quickest way of doing that is to give as many people as possible some kind of immunity. I also don't understand why proceedings were halted for the Sanofi (I think it was that one) vaccine when they found it didn't produce a robust immune response in older people. My reading of that is that it does produce a robust response in younger people. Well, give that one to them, then.

Both things are probably true. The supply issues mean that there is space capacity in the current infrastructure. If the manufacturers are actually able to live up to their promise of 2 million doses per week we will need a bigger system for delivery, which I would hope is in the final stages of planning

Yes, that would make sense - just as long as the larger delivery system really has been properly planned. Unfortunately mention of stadiums, etc, being set up for use remind me horribly of the hoo-ha over the Nightingales, and look what happened with those

It's yet another of those things where I hope to be wrong, but in light of all the other government failures I'm frankly not too confident

@NiceGerbil I had the first Pfizer B on 29th December - I am supposed to be having the second one on 19th January. I am now awaiting the e-mail that will no doubt advise me it has been postponed - oh goody :/ I work in the Care sector through a horrific outbreak in the Spring and have tested positive twice - first time unwell and second asymptomatic. I am part of the Vivaldi study and just recently received a negative antibody test so needed the vaccine to be reliable (ho ho ho) - I am generally very healthy, no ‘long Covid’ etc BUT I don’t think the Gov really knows what the fuck it is doing - I feel especially sorry for those people of 90+ who are (yet again) guinea pigs/cannon fodder/lambs to the slaughter ...

[quote Oaktree55]@RedToothBrush Oxford is still a poor relation vaccine. Yes yes it’s cheap and stores well 🙄[/quote]
That's so not true. What are you getting out of scaremongering on here?

But I thought you said on another thread that you wouldn't take the oxford one because you had safety concerns about it?

(Not in them exact words but there abouts)

Directed at Oaktree55:

I think Oaktree is just shit stirring on here @Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum, if they said that on another thread.

This is a good balanced thread. States just announced one dose as well.

mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1345086669607890945

I'm pretty sure they said on at least one thread that they would take it, but buried that fact quite far down below various complaints about it, including a complaint that the messiness of the data was irresponsible and might put people off having the jab

Seriously I can’t remember what I said. I would prefer another vaccine yes, but doubt that option will exist even privately later this summer given the supply issues that are obviously occurring.

It appears to me the supply issue is worse than they anticipated globally although haven’t got detail obviously.

@Wakeupin2022 - I work for Reuters. Head office is firmly based in Canary Wharf in the UK. It’s def a UK based news agency! But one considered largely neutral & factual.

[quote Oaktree55]This is a good balanced thread. States just announced one dose as well.

mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1345086669607890945[/quote]
I think we might find that a lot of countries might follow our lead regarding using the 1 dose and having a bigger gap between doses. It definitely makes sense here where we are overcome with cases.

@Whydoelephants

I actually think this is a rare wise decision. I think those who have had the first dose are very very lucky compared to the extremely vulnerable older people and frontline staff who are risking their lives every day caring for Covid patients who haven’t yet had a dose. Surely it’s much better for those to have a bit of protection too rather than a very small group having total protection and others having none?

I agree with you @Whydoelephants.

Vaccination centres that aren't GP based are being set up all over the UK - you can expect them to be in every major town with potentially several in county towns and more than that in cities. These will have the capacity to vaccinate up to 2500 per day, 7 days a week for the largest centres. This will be in addition to GPs doing vaccinations.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brewdog-coronavirus-covid-vaccine-centres-b1781289.html?amp

You could have your vaccinations in the pub!

@Parker231

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brewdog-coronavirus-covid-vaccine-centres-b1781289.html?amp

You could have your vaccinations in the pub!

I think what people are struggling with, is that approval of the vaccine seems to have come completely as a surprise to the government (when the writing has been on the wall since about May!)

Why aren’t these centres set up and ready to go now? We were told that we would have millions doses as we were manufacturing “at risk”. Now there is supposedly only 530k by the end of next week. AZ have said they can manufacture 2million a week but now there are concerns with the supply chain.

Given how much this government has completely and utterly f*caked everything up previously concerning the pandemic, people are understandably concerned

@MadameTuffington I had the first Pfizer B on 29th December - I am supposed to be having the second one on 19th January. I am now awaiting the e-mail that will no doubt advise me it has been postponed - oh goody :/ I work in the Care sector through a horrific outbreak in the Spring and have tested positive twice - first time unwell and second asymptomatic. I am part of the Vivaldi study and just recently received a negative antibody test so needed the vaccine to be reliable (ho ho ho) - I am generally very healthy, no ‘long Covid’ etc BUT I don’t think the Gov really knows what the fuck it is doing - I feel especially sorry for those people of 90+ who are (yet again) guinea pigs/cannon fodder/lambs to the slaughter

Well that is good isn't it, you have some protection unlike the care home where I work, no date yet for staff or residents to get first dose. Hopefully we will hear soon now that they are sharing out the vaccine. Mind you it is too late for my son, a nurse, who is currently off sick with covid. Shame he didn't get the first dose to protect him.

Front page of the telegraph tomorrow:

Drug firms have hit back at government claims of a Covid vaccine shortage as they insisted millions of doses had been delivered to the NHS.

The health service is carrying out 250,000 vaccinations per week, but needs to inoculate two million people a week if the Government is to achieve its aim of easing restrictions by Easter.

^Boris Johnson has said supply of the jabs is the “limiting factor”, while the Uk’s four chief medical officers have claimed that “vaccine shortage is a reality that cannot be wished away”. Both Pfizer and AstraZeneca, the two firms manufacting vaccines, took issue with the claims yesterday, insisting there was no problem with supply.
Meanwhile, it emerged that India has stockpiled 50 million doses of the AstraZeneca jab, manufactured there under licence, raising questions about Britain could have had more supplies ready to go.^

It then goes on to say that the uk has had 'millions' of doses delivered by Pfizer including a million held back as second doses. And that the government are aiming for a million doses of Pfizer AND 500,000 of Oxford to be administered next week.

So there does seem to be some discrepancy over what is actually happening.

The Times reports that the government have only got 500,000 Oxford ready to go for next week. But Astra Zeneca will have 2 million per week ready to go from two weeks time. But there doesn't appear to be a stockpile that the government had hoped for (why and who is to blame for this is an interesting question).

The Times gives a hint:
Members of the team are frustrated at the pace of production, for which they blamed Britain's virtually non existent vaccine manufacturing capaity before the panademic

Which might indicate that somehow supplies to the UK have got stuck in transit (??? speculating here but would fit with whats been happening in the last couple of weeks) or there is an internal issue with disruption with vaccines sat in a warehouse somewhere whilst they work out where the next batch is supposed to be being sent...

Challenge:

Without using google, can you name the minister in charge of vaccine delivery?

One was appointed on 28 November. The Invisibie Man?

Zahawi?

Be fair, All-powerful lizard ... he's probably busy composing creative expenses, if last time's anything to go by