I fucking knew it. Second vaccine dose.

[NiceGerbil]

News is that people who have had first dose are only getting second 3 months later. Against the guidelines of the org who made the vaccine.

I said this rush to push it out would result in, how are they going to follow up and make sure they get the second?

And here we go. Second dose not organised. UK govt say this is AOK.

FFS. I'd rather they took the time to do it properly. But hey. Pissup in a brewery situation again.

I said a few days ago to DH. Are they properly tracking this to make sure the follow up jab isn't missed?

I was too optimistic. Govt have decided second jab isn't that important.

FFS.

@Ddot

Well if she needs two she can have mine poor bugger is 91

So you’re 91 year old mother - dependent free, not working, presumably largely housebound would be protected

And you - presumably working age, not largely housebound and possibly with dependents... aren’t?

I didn't realise that was how smallpox was eliminated, by focusing on contacts of infected people, rather than blanket immunisation of whole population.

Was that in the UK or abroad? In the 1950s and 60s smallpox vaccination was offered to all infants in the UK. I remember because when there was an outbreak in the 60s we, me and my siblings, didn't need to get the vaccination. At school the majority of kids were fine but there were long queues of adults at the local GPs surgeries I passed on the way home from school. Our local surgery was doing vaccinations until 10 or 11 pm.

The vaccinations of infants stopped in 1971, my eldest son was having his routine vaccinations and he didn't get smallpox and I did, he got measles and I didn't. Vaccination programmes do change.

To clarify I mean the routine vaccination of infants for smallpox stopped in 1971.

Did anyone see Baroness Betty Boothroyd being interviewed on Sky? Brilliant I thought ......

Sup1979
No dependants
Working yes
Mam is practically blind and housebound

🤯🤬🤪😫😷 bozza

Betty was brilliant on Sky News. She’s in her 90’s. Don’t write off our more elderly population!

No, despite being a marvellous National Treasure (I think she’s great), she was not brilliant. Sky allowed her to shout misinformation that will cause great damage.

To be fair, the communications around the rationale for the extended dosing schedule have been dreadful, but the approach is scientifically valid and is supported by data. Even if it were true that the Pfizer vaccine was only 52% effective after one dose (that’s an average over the 21 days - efficacy increases markedly after about day 12 post the first vaccine) it’s still better to protect more people to 50% quickly, and then mop up.

The AZ dosing schedule is 4-12 weeks anyway.

I agree WiseUP - the rationale for extending the dosing is sound.

There is support for considering the approach elsewhere too - opinion piece in the Washington Post -
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/03/its-time-consider-delaying-second-dose-coronavirus-vaccine/

Protecting more people for 3 months with 1 dose gives time for;

• more vaccine production
• for more roll out of 1st and 2nd doses.
• For flu season to pass
• To ease over loaded hospitals
• Time to monitor effectiveness of vaccine on covid infection rates
• Time for 3rd lock down to show results

@Ddot

Sup1979 No dependants Working yes Mam is practically blind and housebound

So her risk is minimal presumably?

It’s not a question of me thinking her life is worth any less than yours

It’s me looking at the risk profile of you - someone out and about, working etc

And your mother - housebound.

Protecting more people for 3 months with 1 dose gives time for

And what then happens when that time is also squandered, and if continuing mutations mean that, effectively, we simply can't catch up?

She needs help from family so she is not totally safe

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Protecting more people for 3 months with 1 dose gives time for

And what then happens when that time is also squandered, and if continuing mutations mean that, effectively, we simply can't catch up?

Vaccine escape is a concern, but it is not especially related to the increased dose spacing. Any vaccine >50% efficacy would have been authorised. We’re just “lucky” that these ones are particularly good.

I’m with you on the “what if they fuck this up as well” ..