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Why can't they change the school term?

417 replies

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:23

@lulad

Working extra should mean extra pay. You know like in industry.

I agree they should be paid but do you think the majority of those in industry can paid for all overtime?

No overtime in my contract or any of my 5000 colleagues
ottertail · 01/01/2021 11:24

I think I'd hang myself if someone cancelled my summer holiday and made me sit inside alone all winter instead

Skylor · 01/01/2021 11:24

The point is teachers should be at home with their families not working no remote lessons as with summer break. I know this might sound simplistic and not without challenges but it's not impossible, it's a like for like switch of non-teaching dates

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:24

Teachers don’t get paid for overtime either.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:25

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Teachers don’t get paid for overtime either.
We know!!
Skylor · 01/01/2021 11:25

And my parents were teachers for 35 years so I am very aware that teacher work through the year

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:26

lulad

I agree they should be paid but do you think the majority of those in industry can paid for all overtime?

That would depend on where they are in the company.
As someone that comes from industry, pretty much everyone under management level gets paid for the hours that they work and even shift allowances for unsociable hours.

Above that it depends on their contract and in which industry they are working in.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:27

*Guess what, we'll all need to take our leave in Jan/Feb to cover working at home/home schooling combo - so will have no leave left in August!!!

Lucky you*

So you propose that medical staff, nhs workers, supermarket and delivery staff, those working in legal services, funeral related staff, etc all lockdown too?

If not, who will look after their children?
Teachers and school staff will be on holiday remember, so not them.

maddy68 · 01/01/2021 11:27

It isn't as easy as that. University and colleges need teh exam results to start their courses and the infrastructure surrounding that and organisation of exams is huge.
It's simply not feasible. It's the knock on effect.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:28

There is NO flexibility in teaching.

That is not true. The school DB is at offers 3 personal days & teachers are allowed time off for weddings, nativity etc. They employ cover supervisors & have a cover team.

Skylor · 01/01/2021 11:28
  • Working extra should mean extra pay. You know like in industry.*

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay and defined contribution pensions like in industry too

I dont really believe in that, but just to counter above argument

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:28

@FrippEnos

lulad

I agree they should be paid but do you think the majority of those in industry can paid for all overtime?

That would depend on where they are in the company.
As someone that comes from industry, pretty much everyone under management level gets paid for the hours that they work and even shift allowances for unsociable hours.

Above that it depends on their contract and in which industry they are working in.

This is a massively rubbish assumption, retail yes, distribution/supply chain yes - any other services very unlikely
Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:29

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay

Teacher's pay is linked to performance related targets already.

OverTheRainbow88 · 01/01/2021 11:30

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay

We do. Have done for years. Thanks for that genius original game changing idea.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:31

Skylor

Teachers already have performance linked pay.
And the pensions are heading that way.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:31

@FrippEnos do you have statistics on that? I'm in industry too & in my experience is very varied.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:32

HancocksSexTears

This is a massively rubbish assumption, retail yes, distribution/supply chain yes - any other services very unlikely

"Unlikely" is a rubbish response from someone rubbishing a post that they can't argue against.

ElizabethG81 · 01/01/2021 11:34

[quote FrippEnos]**@ElizabethG81
Teachers are screaming for schools to be closed,

Any evidence for this?[/quote]
Every other thread on Mumsnet has been screaming "close schools now" for at least the last couple of weeks. Teachers "terrified and shaking" at the thought of going into work.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:34

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SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 11:34

@DBML

It’s reading threads like this that makes me feel pure despair, I literally can’t find any value in my life. I am starting to feel like I would rather just end it all. I am not a valued member of society. I am a commodity, to be used to only other people’s advantage. I am a waste of space, a lazy teacher. I don’t care about children. I’m work-shy. I’m inflexible. I don’t deserve my freedom or my holidays. My son is in year 11 and 6 weeks off right now after he’s been locked up for weeks would completely fuck him up, particularly as he’s still due to do assessments before the summer. What is the point anymore? I actually work fucking hard. I haven’t stopped. I’ve spent the Christmas holiday designing online lessons. I can’t take anymore.
Come and chat @DBML. I get this. My kids are the only reason to keep going with anything right now.
lulad · 01/01/2021 11:34

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay

Some do, not all. Academy's have more choice.

SpnBaby1967 · 01/01/2021 11:35

Whilst on the face of it that seems like a reasonable suggestion, practically it just isnt feasible.

Whether teachers like it or not, the fact is many parents are only able to work because their kid is in school. Thousands of parents up and down the land had an absolute nightmare last year with school closures, another 2 month closure now will finish them off. Who wants to pay to employ someone who cant work??

Many jobs have rules around when people can take annual leave, much like those rules around when teachers can take leave. Could those employers suddenly cope if a bunch of their staff suddenly needed to all book annual leave these next 2 months? Okay, they could furlough them. But then who will do the work???

Not to mention, my kids are shattered by the time july rolls around and ready for time off. Do they need 6 weeks? Probably not, but canceling some or all of it just is not a simple affair in this country.

Our economy, and ability to work is tighly knitted in with our school system. There is no two ways about it, it just is.

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 11:35

@HancocksSexTears

Computer says no.

No point in making suggestions to the institutionalised

Patronising.
FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:35

[quote lulad]@FrippEnos do you have statistics on that? I'm in industry too & in my experience is very varied. [/quote]
No because it is varied from industry to industry, contract to contract, self employed to employee. etc. etc.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:36

‘That is not true. The school DB is at offers 3 personal days & teachers are allowed time off for weddings, nativity etc. They employ cover supervisors & have a cover team’

Every school has these. It’s bad enough getting time off for medical aappintmwmts, weddings and nativities absolutely no chance.

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