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Why can't they change the school term?

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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lulad · 01/01/2021 11:36

So it's an assumption then?

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:37

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Are you saying I'm lying?

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:37

HancocksSexTears

A personal attack aren't you a joy.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:38

lulad

So it's an assumption then?

Anecdotal through experience. the same as everyone else on here.

BigGreen · 01/01/2021 11:38

I agree with you, OP.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 11:38

So you propose that medical staff, nhs workers, supermarket and delivery staff, those working in legal services, funeral related staff, etc all lockdown too?

If not, who will look after their children?
Teachers and school staff will be on holiday remember, so not them.

Apparently there will be clubs and childcare available.
Staffed by teachers and other school workers who are happy to voluntarily give up their holiday.
Or parents or furloughed workers or just about anyone really...
Because it’s really easy to set up holiday clubs & keep children occupied with no funding for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in the middle of winter when it’s cold & raining outside...

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 11:38

@Skylor

I think OP has a point. School staff are salaried workers like many others. So if we switch 4 weeks of summer holidays (or 1 easter + 3 summer) with now for a national lockdown it will slow the spread and help progress the vaccination programme and give NHs space to breathe. Allow for covid secure holiday scheme bubbles in similar fashion to nurseries, since they are smaller scale and can cater to working parents. Everybody gets a shorter late August summer holiday but still at least 3 weeks off.
No. We have been treated like shit for months. It's not happening. And if it does I would expect the usual fines in place for families taking holidays.
ChristmasUserName2020 · 01/01/2021 11:39

Loving the responses on here. Mummnetters are so vocal about how ‘disgraceful’ it is that the kids are missing out yet when someone suggests a reasonable solution it’s met with ‘nope, my holiday/wedding/dog’s birthday’ is more important. Funny to see where people’s priorities really lie.

fmlfmlfmlfm · 01/01/2021 11:39

Heat wave in a hot stuffy classroom - no thanks

Being stuck inside as your holiday in the winter - no thanks

Schools had 1 semi normal half term this year in October.

There is no obvious solution, other than maybe extend the school day by half an hour a day, or add a couple of days to a term but summer holidays are important. To staff as well as kids.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:39

@FrippEnos you were the one who posted

Working extra should mean extra pay.
You know like in industry.

That's what we responded too.

coffeeandgin26 · 01/01/2021 11:39

No thanks.

I want my children to spend the summer months playing on the beach, in the garden, going to for walks in the woods, spending time with their grandparents and cousins, late nights watching the sunset on the beach with a picnic supper, playing out with their friends until 9pm and coming in all grubby and sticky from
Ice cream
And sun cream.

kids have had a year of not being able to be kids. Don't take away their summer.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:40

@ChristmasUserName2020

Loving the responses on here. Mummnetters are so vocal about how ‘disgraceful’ it is that the kids are missing out yet when someone suggests a reasonable solution it’s met with ‘nope, my holiday/wedding/dog’s birthday’ is more important. Funny to see where people’s priorities really lie.
It's for the greater good when we are talking shutting schools

When we prose opening them at different times is a massive f you!!

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 11:40

@maddy68

It isn't as easy as that. University and colleges need teh exam results to start their courses and the infrastructure surrounding that and organisation of exams is huge. It's simply not feasible. It's the knock on effect.

Exams won't run this year as I've suggested in the first post. With regards to results, there would be no remarks this year and all exam related admin is undertaken by support staff not teachers.

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Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:40

@lulad

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay

Some do, not all. Academy's have more choice.

I have teacher friends in both Lea run schools and academies, plus independent schools too. Primary and secondary, plus FE.

All have their pay linked to performance related targets.

Pamperedpet · 01/01/2021 11:41

Many of you act as if teacher opinions are taken into account. Ultimately teachers do as they are told. If this were to happen, most would do it. Some will definitely leave or retire early, not just because of this, but as the final straw. You don't actually need, and cannot expect them to be thrilled about it too. And it does cause lots of practical problems which is why it has almost certainly been considered and rejected.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:41

@Abraxan yes but you don't have teacher friends in every school, do you. A blanket statement can't therefore be applied to all. You can just google if you like?

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:41

@coffeeandgin26

No thanks.

I want my children to spend the summer months playing on the beach, in the garden, going to for walks in the woods, spending time with their grandparents and cousins, late nights watching the sunset on the beach with a picnic supper, playing out with their friends until 9pm and coming in all grubby and sticky from
Ice cream
And sun cream.

kids have had a year of not being able to be kids. Don't take away their summer.

Mine weren't doing any of this in 2020, no childcare provisions open, they were stuck at home whilst I sat at my laptop having to work as you can't take les e if there isn't anyone to cover you
Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:42

It's for the greater good when we are talking shutting schools

My school has never been fully closed apart from over the summer 2020 holidays for 5 weeks.
We had full bubbles from day 1 in March and most staff were in school full time. Only the vulnerable staff weren't in school but they were working full time hours. Most gave up 3 weeks holiday unpaid at Easter and May.
We have had every class close for SI since September, at least once, but throughout staff worked - even when ill - to provide remote learning.

Although closed over October and December holidays many staff have been online using the remote learning software communicating with parents and pupils.

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 11:43

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FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:43

lulad

I know what you are responding to.

Are you saying that factory workers don't get overtime?
Or retail staff?
Or tradesmen?

Yes there is a point at which overtime and being paid for extra work stops but that is reflected in the amount that you are paid and the contract that you have.

It isn't hard to understand.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:44

* I want my children to spend the summer months playing on the beach, in the garden, going to for walks in the woods, spending time with their grandparents and cousins, late nights watching the sunset on the beach with a picnic supper, playing out with their friends until 9pm and coming in all grubby and sticky fromIce cream

I desperately want this too but you know pandemic.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:44

@Abraxan

It's for the greater good when we are talking shutting schools

My school has never been fully closed apart from over the summer 2020 holidays for 5 weeks.
We had full bubbles from day 1 in March and most staff were in school full time. Only the vulnerable staff weren't in school but they were working full time hours. Most gave up 3 weeks holiday unpaid at Easter and May.
We have had every class close for SI since September, at least once, but throughout staff worked - even when ill - to provide remote learning.

Although closed over October and December holidays many staff have been online using the remote learning software communicating with parents and pupils.

The bot that you, as a profession, just don't accept, is that whatever you were doing to provide school, most definitely wasn't universal - and some kids and parents have had literally no help
Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 11:44

Exams won't run this year as I've suggested in the first post. With regards to results, there would be no remarks this year and all exam related admin is undertaken by support staff not teachers.

Where have you got this information?
Or have you just made it up.

We ran Mocks in December. In the Sports Hall. Teachers invigilated (no external invigilators this year) and all admin was completed by teachers.

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 11:44

@coffeeandgin26 many parents want their kids to be able to do that but working parents who might only get a week to two weeks max in the summer anyway don't get the luxury of the full 6 weeks off with them. That's not a benefit lots of parents enjoy at all.

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 11:45

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 my post is all hypothetical. Another example of someone not reading properly.

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