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Why can't they change the school term?

417 replies

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

OP posts:
NellyJames · 01/01/2021 11:09

But even if you offer to pay school staff, they won’t want to do it. I don’t blame them. If I was a teacher, I wouldn’t want to do it. I’d either rather have my long break now, at home, safe or I’d have the time in the summer when hopefully the worst of this is over and the weather is nicer.

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 01/01/2021 11:10

Actually @onedayinthefuture I think it's a good idea. It wouldn't be forever and it would mean our kids wouldn't miss out on valuable education and socialisation. I'd be completely behind this idea and I'm actually surprised it hasn't been really considered.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:11

lulad
No one is saying teachers haven't worked hard or made sacrifices,

Really? Maybe take a look at some of the almost daily threads since March.. think you'll find that many posters, some of whom are back in this thread too, have pretty much said that many many times,

DownstairsMixUp · 01/01/2021 11:11

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Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 11:11

You are being too sensitive far to sensitive.

Read the responses on the thread you started OP.

HelloMissus · 01/01/2021 11:11

It was a suggestion for this summer when infection rates were low.
I don’t think I saw one teacher agree it was a reasonable proposal.

Out of interest this is what has happened in some countries that have kept infection rates low.

NellyJames · 01/01/2021 11:11

Plus, term starts next week and Gav has said there’s categorically no extra money available.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:13

HancocksSexTears

Your work is built on flexibility. Aren’t you lucky?

There is NO flexibility in teaching.

I can’t just shuffle days round for say a hospital appointment. Who would teach my classes? I fancy going in later today, I’ll just move y7 and 8 to after school classes.🙄😂

Your point shows you know nothing about being a teacher.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:14

HancocksSexTears

No, my whole existence at work is built on flexibility to the ever changing needs of the business, not my own needs or my needs to have 6 weeks back to back holiday

I was going to list all the flexibility for the extra curricular (and normal curriculum) school events that are prepared and manned by teachers, but it would just lead in to the usual bullshit of teachers say that they work harder than everyone else.

If you think that teachers are not flexible then you don't know enough about job and what it entails.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:14

Actually re the holiday pay - you will find that many school staff are NOT paid for holidays at all.

My hlta contract is for 39 weeks a year with 4 weeks holiday pay, for very limited and specific hours. Pre,covid I always worked longer hours than my contract unpaid, post covid I have worked huge numbers of hours behind my contract including 3 full weeks in Easter and May, all unpaid.

I was even answering remote learning queries from a hospital bed in October when I was admitted with covid related complications!

So, yes - many many school staff work well behind their contracted hours and especially so this year. We freely are not just sat sunbathing or reading books all year like some posters on these constant threads like to make out.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:15

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

HancocksSexTears

Your work is built on flexibility. Aren’t you lucky?

There is NO flexibility in teaching.

I can’t just shuffle days round for say a hospital appointment. Who would teach my classes? I fancy going in later today, I’ll just move y7 and 8 to after school classes.🙄😂

Your point shows you know nothing about being a teacher.

No, you read me wrong, flexibility for the firm.

Not for me - you'll find that most gainful employment outside the public sector is the same, we get paid to do as we are told.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:16

I was in gainful employment for 10years outside the public sector.

I left to work in a unionised sector.

MushMonster · 01/01/2021 11:17

I would not mind this if it means they will actually have proper lessons in the summer. I was actually expecting them to teach through 2020 summer to recover the lost time.
Cases went straight up after September, when they went back. So at this point, I am not sure whether closing schools now will reduce the winter peak or just move it to the summer, and get more percentage of children sick with it. Specially with children not being in the vaccination list at all.
To be honest, I have arrived to the conclusion that as children will not get vaccinated, they better get exposed to it now that is, at least, quite mild.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:18

Anyway, this was about whether you could, for once, make an exception, but clearly that would go down like a turd on a table, so let's all just go back to how we've always done it.

Skylor · 01/01/2021 11:18

I think OP has a point. School staff are salaried workers like many others. So if we switch 4 weeks of summer holidays (or 1 easter + 3 summer) with now for a national lockdown it will slow the spread and help progress the vaccination programme and give NHs space to breathe. Allow for covid secure holiday scheme bubbles in similar fashion to nurseries, since they are smaller scale and can cater to working parents. Everybody gets a shorter late August summer holiday but still at least 3 weeks off.

Angel2702 · 01/01/2021 11:19

Not a chance winter stuck indoors at home is no substitute for a proper summer holiday. Not a chance I would want to give up the summer break. We’ve given up Easter, Christmas, birthdays summer holidays was the only positive part of 2020.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:19

HancocksSexTears
Anyway, this was about whether you could, for once, make an exception

Just another example of how you don't have a clue of how many hours are given flexibly and free from teachers.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:20

Would also have a big impact upon the economy as well.

I read that more than 800k jobs have been lost with record redundancies so that has already happened tbf.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 11:20

Allow for covid secure holiday scheme bubbles in similar fashion to nurseries

Covid secure? Nurseries?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:21

Hmmmm entire population of England with school age children trying to go on holiday in a 3 week window would be interesting.

Some parent will not buy schools shutting entirely in Jan/Feb, they’d be bleating about the lazy teachers.

And l have a holiday booked for last 2 weeks in July Covid permitting. Is someone going to reimburse that for me?

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:21

@Angel2702

Not a chance winter stuck indoors at home is no substitute for a proper summer holiday. Not a chance I would want to give up the summer break. We’ve given up Easter, Christmas, birthdays summer holidays was the only positive part of 2020.
Guess what, we'll all need to take our leave in Jan/Feb to cover working at home/home schooling combo - so will have no leave left in August!!!

Lucky you

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:22

Working extra should mean extra pay.
You know like in industry.

I agree they should be paid but do you think the majority of those in industry can paid for all overtime?

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:23

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lulad · 01/01/2021 11:23

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Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:23

but I'm sure it would be far too much work for the poor teachers

I know you just want to have a dig at teachers here, but something to consider.

  • school staff are made up of a wide range of employees, not just teachers. What about the TAs, office staff, cleaning staff, maintenance staff, it support staff, lab technicians, etc? Or are they bone idle, overplayed underworked 'only in it for the holidays' employees too?
  • if schools were closed for just 2 weeks in the summer that means EVERYONE in all industries who have children will all be wanting the exact two weeks off, all at the same time. The cost of a holiday, even if local, in those two weeks would be sky high, chances are lots of people won't be allowed the time off so who cares for the children then - or are we expecting those childcare and out of school providers to step up for just those specific dates - which means they then can't take a break with their own children either?
  • what about exams and marking? Will you want the teachers to do both at the same time? Or are you moving exams too? If you do, what about university and apprenticeship entry - shall we need to move them back as well?
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