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Why can't they change the school term?

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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lulad · 01/01/2021 10:56

@FrippEnos can't we just concentrate on this thread.

minipie · 01/01/2021 10:56

I would support this for a few weeks. Maybe delay this term for 3-4 weeks and then cancel Feb half term, take 1 week off the Easter holidays and 1-2 weeks off the summer holidays.

More than that, no.

Also this would only work if teachers genuinely have time off for this 3-4 weeks. No remote learning. Keyworker childre and vulnerable children would get childcare (by paid childcarers, well paid considering the covid risk) but not teaching.

However I agree it’s too late to do this at this stage, this is something that should have been considered several weeks ago.

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 10:56

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

So teachers will be working through school closures in Jan and Feb?

You then want them to work over the summer too? Are you going to pay them? Cos we ain’t paid for the holidays🙄

Read back, they won't be working during January and February! Why doesn't anyone read things properly instead of jumping to defence? Any teachers that do have to work in the winter will be paid to do so (by providing care for key worker children).

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FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 10:57

HancocksSexTears

Try imagining doing your very draining job in industry for an entire year without a proper break or holiday at all, this is what people in the NHS have been doing, they haven't had two weeks off to recover from every intense term of work

Have they?

My NHS friends have had multiple breaks.
But then they have also been revered for their work and not shit on from a great height at every turn because they would like the same protection as everyone else.

and neither have they had concerted efforts by various groups trying to get them to work with no safety provision at all.

DBML · 01/01/2021 10:57

It’s reading threads like this that makes me feel pure despair, I literally can’t find any value in my life. I am starting to feel like I would rather just end it all. I am not a valued member of society. I am a commodity, to be used to only other people’s advantage. I am a waste of space, a lazy teacher. I don’t care about children. I’m work-shy. I’m inflexible. I don’t deserve my freedom or my holidays. My son is in year 11 and 6 weeks off right now after he’s been locked up for weeks would completely fuck him up, particularly as he’s still due to do assessments before the summer. What is the point anymore? I actually work fucking hard. I haven’t stopped. I’ve spent the Christmas holiday designing online lessons. I can’t take anymore.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 10:58

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

So teachers will be working through school closures in Jan and Feb?

You then want them to work over the summer too? Are you going to pay them? Cos we ain’t paid for the holidays🙄

You too a pro rated pay role when that suited you, you knew you got paid a salary for 10 months but would be paid that over 12 months as there's no other gold tilted industry alive where you get paid for 2 months off a bloody summer!!
NellyJames · 01/01/2021 10:58

I read what you said, thank you. My point is that you can offer to pay them but they still won’t want the job.

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 10:59

[quote NellyJames]@onedayinthefuture, ok but are you suggesting schools completely close? What about the children of medics or those who work in supermarkets? Or should the hospitals and supermarkets close too? If you’re not suggesting they close completely but instead stay open for children if key workers then my point still stands; you won’t get enough staff volunteering even if they were paid to do it.[/quote]

Well I'm sure they'd be plenty of volunteers needing the work. There are many out of work holiday club providers, parents who need the cash. DBS checks can be fast tracked.

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Tal45 · 01/01/2021 10:59

Schools can't close because they have to be open for key worker and vulnerable kids - so basically they'd never close which would never work. Ours stayed open over one holiday during the complete lockdown (for key workers and vulnerable kids) but said they couldn't do it again.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 10:59

Teachers are screaming for schools to be closed

Actually if you read many MN threads you will know this is not true and most school staff prefer schools open. What they want is safer schools, not closed ones.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your teacher bashing, eh?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:02

‘Gold tilted industry’😂

Cba to explain. Teacher bashing again.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:03

I’m not working 6 weeks for free...,

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:03

I think if paid plenty will offer, they have plenty at DBs school who normally want to earn extra.

Is not possible to have a reasonable discussions about a proposal that may or may not work without exclaiming teacher bashing or no one cares about us at every post?

Doubledoodlemummy · 01/01/2021 11:03

Would also have a big impact upon the economy as well. All the family type attractions like farms, activity centres and theme parks will need a bumper year if they are to recover from summer 2020 and children being in school for the week days will have a big effect upon foot fall.

LacyEdge · 01/01/2021 11:03

Holiday clubs and activities are run by external providers in my dc’s schools in the holidays. What would need to happen for those providers to be authorised to come into schools for holiday childcare & activities for keyworkers’ and vulnerable dc?

NellyJames · 01/01/2021 11:03

Well I'm sure they'd be plenty of volunteers needing the work. There are many out of work holiday club providers, parents who need the cash. DBS checks can be fast tracked.

Grin So you’re talking about cobbling together a community Motley Crew who will also be swiftly DBS checked within the next 7-10 days. Ok. Can’t see any problem with that idea. In fact, I’m now beginning to suspect you’re a government minister with that suggestion.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:04

HancocksSexTears

You too a pro rated pay role when that suited you, you knew you got paid a salary for 10 months but would be paid that over 12 months as there's no other gold tilted industry alive where you get paid for 2 months off a bloody summer!!

Can you not see your contradiction.
We don't get paid for the break we get paid in the break for work already done.

Working extra should mean extra pay.
You know like in industry.

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HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:05

Computer says no.

No point in making suggestions to the institutionalised

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:06

@FrippEnos

HancocksSexTears

You too a pro rated pay role when that suited you, you knew you got paid a salary for 10 months but would be paid that over 12 months as there's no other gold tilted industry alive where you get paid for 2 months off a bloody summer!!

Can you not see your contradiction.
We don't get paid for the break we get paid in the break for work already done.

Working extra should mean extra pay.
You know like in industry.

Nobody is saying don't pay you, god above
Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:07

We're talking a lockdown though, not childcare. Who will look after the kids if we go to online learning?

Did the school you work in not provide daily childcare for key work and vulnerable children? At my school we have so many children in those categories that almost every member of staff worked full time in school during March to July. The remaining 4 staff, who weren't in and clinically vulnerable, oversaw re,one learning for the rest, supported by teaching staff working in school as required,

I'm assuming your winter lockdown will still need key workers to be at work. Who,will care for these children next week, if schools are closed and teaching/school staff are 'on holiday' so not available?
And if all but 4 staff were working full time supervising key worker and vulnerable children, then when do they get their holiday? Or do they give them up again like in Easter and May?

I'm also a director of a club which offers holiday schemes. Particularly after the last year they are desperate to get back to work and, to be honest, they desperately need the money there holiday schemes provide. They couldn't be open now I assume under a lockdown, so are they then expected to lose another year's income if there are no children attending in the summer?

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:08

HancocksSexTears
Computer says no.

No point in making suggestions to the institutionalised

Back at you.

imamearcat · 01/01/2021 11:08

A term without 6 weeks off would 'finish off' someone's 5 year old? Are they having a laugh? Jeez Louise.

OP I think that would be a sensible idea but I'm sure it would be far too much work for the poor teachers.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:09

HancocksSexTears

Nobody is saying don't pay you, god above

The government has already said that there is no extra money for education

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:09

@FrippEnos

HancocksSexTears Computer says no.

No point in making suggestions to the institutionalised

Back at you.

No, my whole existence at work is built on flexibility to the ever changing needs of the business, not my own needs or my needs to have 6 weeks back to back holiday
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