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Why can't they change the school term?

417 replies

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

OP posts:
beela · 01/01/2021 10:40

Definitely too late for the spring term (or is it?? Who knows) but it would make sense to extend Feb half term by a week or even two as a circuit break, and then push everything else back.

Problem is, the government is working on blind optimism, so it's all going to be fiiiiiiine by then.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 10:41

I strongly agree that any teachers/support staff who did extra work should be paid.
This

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 10:41

@EachDubh

I do think posters are right though there does need to be a shake up of education. We need to be more like industry. Not sure parents will like what that means but I am sure mant will swap their holidays for overtime pay, stopping doing all unpaid work or providing any equipment. We would have to reduce the curriculum and stop much of the other work we do but that's ok becsuse the general public don't believe we do much anyway so won't notice a difference. As an aside, what have all of you been doing thst is above and beyond for you companies since March? I am sure many have dobe lots but what?
Working morning noon and night plus weekends as I'm living at work, taking on additional workload of sick employees, absorbing work of leavers as no recruitment allowed, being on call 24/7
Forgetmenot157 · 01/01/2021 10:41

Do you honestly think teachers will all give up their summer holidays that have already had to be Put off last year and instead be forced to work?

mondaywine · 01/01/2021 10:42

Why is it that when people have these discussions they just can’t see that teachers too worked and had childcare problems?I worked in school, while also doing online learning with my class and somehow had to teach my own child who wasn’t eligible for a key workers place. DH worked outside the home every day. I would not be willing to do any more. Over the summer I will pack up my classroom, it’s likely I will need to move room and set up again and I will plan for the academic year. All of the summer stuff I do in my holidays. Take away the summer and make it a 2 week break and I will not be doing any of this.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 10:43

@Kokeshi123
Every time this has been suggested, people have responded with absolute outrage on here.

This is substantially different to the usual
unpaid child care
plus set remote learning
plus live lessons
Plus give up your holiday

Bullshit that is normally put forward.

As for referring to Japan's education system, (the one with one of the highest child suicide rates in the world)
There are also major differences in how classes are taught and how teachers are pretty much revered.

Whereas here teachers are looked down upon and have been slated constantly for many years and even more so in the last 10 months.

Most of the goodwill that schools are run on has run out.

lulad · 01/01/2021 10:44

Why is it that when people have these discussions they just can’t see that teachers too worked and had childcare problems?

I don't get that impression at all. I know my dcs teachers worked incredibly hard.

cansu · 01/01/2021 10:45

onedayinthefuture
What do you do in school?

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 10:45

Why is it that when people have these discussions they just can’t see that teachers too worked and had childcare problems?

Don’t be silly. Teachers are there for other people’s children. Not their own. They should be self sacrificing and generous with their time.

bluechameleon · 01/01/2021 10:46

But what then happens in the Autumn if children and staff haven't had a break in the summer? The Autumn term is looooong anyway, I can't imagine doing it without at least a couple of weeks proper break (and that means without having to do planning, preparing classrooms, making resources etc).

daisypond · 01/01/2021 10:46

@Forgetmenot157

Do you honestly think teachers will all give up their summer holidays that have already had to be Put off last year and instead be forced to work?
But everyone had to give up their summer holidays last year. Many people don’t get to take time off work in summer. I have just had all my applications for summer leave in 2021 denied. You still get the same amount of holiday, just at a different time.
FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 10:48

@EachDubh

I do think posters are right though there does need to be a shake up of education. We need to be more like industry. Not sure parents will like what that means but I am sure mant will swap their holidays for overtime pay, stopping doing all unpaid work or providing any equipment. We would have to reduce the curriculum and stop much of the other work we do but that's ok becsuse the general public don't believe we do much anyway so won't notice a difference. As an aside, what have all of you been doing thst is above and beyond for you companies since March? I am sure many have dobe lots but what?
If we went down that route

Could we also have the protection of industry when we are attacked by pupils?

And lets not forget that industry has a standardised input vs a standardised output.

itssquidstella · 01/01/2021 10:48

I'm a teacher and I absolutely would not go for this. I'm still working next week, even though I won't be physically in school. I worked remotely all the way through the first lockdown and have been in school since the end of August, bending over backwards to accommodate blended learning and to give pupils as normal an experience as possible.

By the time summer comes I will be desperate for a holiday, hopefully abroad, as will the pupils I teach. I also think cancelling exams would be incredibly detrimental to young people's mental health and I would not support this.

BunsyGirl · 01/01/2021 10:48

@EachDubh During the run up to Christmas I was working until 10 or 11pm each night and weekends - I am paid for four days a week so was doing seven instead of four. I was one of the lucky ones. Some of my colleagues did four days without a break. Yes, that means not going home for four days and working day and night, maybe with the odd hour or two sleeping in their chair, under their desk etc. I do chuckle about people who complain about long hours in any job role. Unless you have done an all nighter you really don’t know what long hours means.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 10:50

daisypond

But everyone had to give up their summer holidays last year. Many people don’t get to take time off work in summer. I have just had all my applications for summer leave in 2021 denied. You still get the same amount of holiday, just at a different time.

Teachers will only get time back if the term times change.
We already know that this won't happen, not because of teachers, but because of the government.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 10:51

But everyone had to give up their summer holidays last year.

They really didn’t.
They didn’t go on ‘holiday’ but they certainly didn’t all work through their AL voluntarily.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 10:52

@bluechameleon

But what then happens in the Autumn if children and staff haven't had a break in the summer? The Autumn term is looooong anyway, I can't imagine doing it without at least a couple of weeks proper break (and that means without having to do planning, preparing classrooms, making resources etc).
Try imagining doing your very draining job in industry for an entire year without a proper break or holiday at all, this is what people in the NHS have been doing, they haven't had two weeks off to recover from every intense term of work
lulad · 01/01/2021 10:53

Don’t be silly. Teachers are there for other people’s children. Not their own. They should be self sacrificing and generous with their time.

FGS no one is saying that & the martyrdom is tiresome.
My friend is a A&E doctor on a covid ward, thank god she has given up her time. My aunt a retired doctor has gone back. My friend who lost a parent to Covid had 1 wk bereavement because she would have lost her business if she didn't work.
No one is saying teachers haven't worked hard or made sacrifices, they just don't have exclusivity on that.
We are all trying to muddle through as best we can, very few have had it easy. If I had to work all summer & forego a holiday would I like it? hell no. Would I do it if it helped support the NHS & reduced deaths, yes.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 10:53

So teachers will be working through school closures in Jan and Feb?

You then want them to work over the summer too? Are you going to pay them? Cos we ain’t paid for the holidays🙄

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 10:54

Who will pay for the extra staffing required?

I teach and there is not a chance I will be doing extra weeks again this year. I worked through the holidays last year and have worked longer hours than ever before this year.

I've been ill, I'm shattered.

So no, I'm not giving up my summer holidays in 2021. Chances are I may be able to get away somewhere by the summer, even if it's only in the uk or even if it's just to finally visit my family. Why would I want to be in school then, rather than having an enforced 'holiday' now where I'm stuck inside with nowhere to go or no one to see?

I doubt many of my colleagues would want to give up more holidays again next year either.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 10:54

lulad
No one is saying teachers haven't worked hard or made sacrifices,

Really because there are many threads that say otherwise.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 10:55

@Goodbye2020Hello2021

But everyone had to give up their summer holidays last year.

They really didn’t.
They didn’t go on ‘holiday’ but they certainly didn’t all work through their AL voluntarily.

I had to do a reconcile of my teams annual leave before Christmas, pretty much everyone was sitting at around 20 days remaining to use from 25, so I think that tells me all I need to know - ever heard of being too busy to take leave?
NellyJames · 01/01/2021 10:55

@onedayinthefuture, ok but are you suggesting schools completely close? What about the children of medics or those who work in supermarkets? Or should the hospitals and supermarkets close too? If you’re not suggesting they close completely but instead stay open for children if key workers then my point still stands; you won’t get enough staff volunteering even if they were paid to do it.

lulad · 01/01/2021 10:55

I have lots of family in the NHS, they are exhausted & many couldn't take leave. My uncle a consultant was due to retire in April, still working harder then ever.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 10:56

It’s one summer ffs.

Actually it'll be a second summer of curtailments if this was to happen. Last summer wasn't normal for many people and still had plenty of restrictions around.

Plus the working through last Easter and May holidays - that was already 3 weeks unpaid work happening for many school staff.

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