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Why can't they change the school term?

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:59

No no, you teachers are all wrong.
You forget that lulad wants you to only refer to the odd one or two teachers who don't have performance related pay. It doesn't matter that you haven't come across one who doesn't have performance related pay. Don't forget you don't know the details of every single teacher in England after all.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:59

‘ With regards to results, there would be no remarks this year and all exam related admin is undertaken by support staff not teachers.

Well we have an exams office.,,,

But all marking is done and redone and redone again by teachers. Including remarksConfused

phlebasconsidered · 01/01/2021 11:59

And I am allowed ONE day for child illness at my trust. Which is taken up by my dd's hospital appointments for scoliosis. The other appointments I have to take unpaid. If I asked for time to see a child's nativity performance i'd be laughed at.

lulad · 01/01/2021 12:00

So this article is wrong?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/schools-losing-teacher-goodwill-over-performance-related-pay/amp/

and my DB academy trust are in fact doing it even though they don't.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:01

[quote phlebasconsidered]@lulad Academies do have prp. Without exception. Every single trust in my entire county does. It enables them to pay less and they are profit making. Academies LOVE prp. And ridicuolus targets too.[/quote]
It doesn't enable them to pay less, it enables them to reward those teachers who are out performing, which is how it should be - the underperforming shouldn't be paid the same as the performing or the out performing!!

lulad · 01/01/2021 12:01

If I asked for time to see a child's nativity performance i'd be laughed at.

Again not everyone is the same. I don't get paid time off for nativity plays though, it's unpaid or in lieu.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:02

@lulad

If I asked for time to see a child's nativity performance i'd be laughed at.

Again not everyone is the same. I don't get paid time off for nativity plays though, it's unpaid or in lieu.

Nobody has a contract with paid time off for nativity, only maybe the bloody Virgin Mary!!
lulad · 01/01/2021 12:03

It doesn't enable them to pay less, it enables them to reward those teachers who are out performing

Yes DB was fast tracked & skipped an M stage to UPS something (not to sure on the names).

ChloeDecker · 01/01/2021 12:03

Do read your own link lulad

We begin with the assumption that everyone gets the pay rise due to them,” Headteacher John Tomsett told Schools Week. “They have to un-earn their pay rise by teaching poorly.

That is performance related pay under a different name

phlebasconsidered · 01/01/2021 12:03

@HancocksSexTears it certainly DOES enable them to pay less. It enables them to prevent pay progression on the basis of a cohorts exam results resulting in good teachers with poor students not being paid as much as they should be and the academy paying out less in wages. The "reward" for outperforming is moving up the scale AS YOU SHOULD DO ANYWAY.

lulad · 01/01/2021 12:04

@ChloeDecker that's one head teacher, not sure he speaks for all.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:05

@ChloeDecker

Do read your own link lulad

We begin with the assumption that everyone gets the pay rise due to them,” Headteacher John Tomsett told Schools Week. “They have to un-earn their pay rise by teaching poorly.

That is performance related pay under a different name

How it works in the real world is each year you start your basic, your bucket is empty, if you earn your basic, and you've worked really hard you might get more, if you do t achieve your basic - you get fired
phlebasconsidered · 01/01/2021 12:05

And if you think that doesn't happen you're even more insane than you appear. Unions and governors deal with this issue every year. As a teacher governor I know this. Every teacher knows this, just as they know expensive teachers are more likely to be put on capability.

ChloeDecker · 01/01/2021 12:06

Not only does your article prove there is PRP for teachers but even the one ‘evidence’ you thought you had also states teachers performance pay is still checked.
Nice try.

NeverForgetYourDreams · 01/01/2021 12:06

Because I've had 7 days off in 2020 and want to hopefully go on our postponed holiday from 2020 in July 2021. If the schools give good online teaching then this won't be necessary. Schools have had 10 months to get things sorted.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 12:10
  • It doesn't enable them to pay less, it enables them to reward those teachers who are out performing’

It enables them to sack teachers who are ‘underperforming’ That’s paying less l guess

ChloeDecker · 01/01/2021 12:11

Not in the job I had before teaching. This real world bollocks.Hmm We all live in the real world. Different jobs, organisations, industries all do things differently

lulad · 01/01/2021 12:12

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Course your not because it doesn't fit your narrative. I haven't disagreed with the fact that some industry workers will get paid overtime just that it's not the norm.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:12

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

* It doesn't enable them to pay less, it enables them to reward those teachers who are out performing’

It enables them to sack teachers who are ‘underperforming’ That’s paying less l guess

Yes we'll, if underperforming they aren't fit to teach our children are they?
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 12:13

I put ‘underperforming’ in quotation marks for a reason..

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:14

There's no argument y to o be won here, it's a pandemic and we all have to rub along, but we, the parents, will remember the inflexibility.

lulad · 01/01/2021 12:14

Anyone OP I didn't think it was a terrible idea, defo not ideal & not without issues but we are in unusual times.
I defo think the DoE & current education set up needs an huge overhaul but that's another topic.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:14

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I put ‘underperforming’ in quotation marks for a reason..
Are you saying they aren't underperforming but that someone is lying to get them fired?

Don't you have unions for that?

Always another excuse!!

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 12:16

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 12:17

‘Underperforming’ usually means expensive and older.

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