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Why can't they change the school term?

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:45

I’m saying it’s not my experience, nor those of my colleagues.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:45

[quote lulad]@Abraxan yes but you don't have teacher friends in every school, do you. A blanket statement can't therefore be applied to all. You can just google if you like? [/quote]
No obviously I don't. But, like you, I can on;y speak from my own experience. And the reality is that many teachers, based in my own experience across many schools and sectors and from reading many education threads in here (not just this thread but many over the past few years) most teachers have performance related targets linked to their pay.

Maybe you know some who don't but I'd hazard a guess that these are in the minority, especially in the last few years.

There was a huge thing about it in the media a few years back when it was introduced across the country.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:45

And I’ve been teaching 25 years

ChloeDecker · 01/01/2021 11:46

Oh the bitter just flocked to this thread didn’t they!?

Conveniently ignoring the many posters at the start of the thread who are teachers and would support the OP because that doesn’t fit with their pot shots against teachers.

I’ve already been flexible and gone above and beyond. I’ve already worked for free giving up one week of my Easter holidays and May Half Term (which is why teachers will assume they wouldn’t get paid for any holiday work either-we haven’t been paid for the holiday work we did last year and judging by this thread, been given fuck all thanks for it either). I’ve already given up hours working over this holiday to produce good quality resources for live and video online lessons for free, when Department for Education employees were given £1k bonuses to produce, quite frankly, substandard guidance.

I’ve already lost £2.8k on an August holiday I had to cancel as I couldn’t risk missing the start of term quarantining (yes, teachers do give a shit, shock horror).

I’ve also been ‘given the gift of Covid’ from school and did live lessons to my classes at the time, to help ease the burden on pupils and my colleagues. How many of those teacher bashing on here, would/have work(ed) whilst suffering from Covid?

The OP seems to have forgotten the failed promise from the government to do summer catch up sessions so why they would think this summer is any different I don’t know. The government have shamefully given millions to their private mates to provide some ‘catch up tutoring’ that still hasn’t got off the ground, so that schools can spend £15 per pupil per hour out of their own reduced existing budget, to further pay these private companies to catch up children.

Instead of looking at teachers, TAs and other school staff to again, take sole responsibility in cleaning up this mess as usual, you should be looking at the government.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:46

I wouldn’t even consider asking for attendance at a wedding. It wouldn’t be permitted.

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 11:46

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lulad · 01/01/2021 11:47

@FrippEnos Yes I am saying that for some. Are you saying all do?

www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2020/12/tesco-named-and-shamed-for-underpaying-78000-workers/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-54499768

These workers can't even their legal entitlement.

ElizabethG81 · 01/01/2021 11:47

Some teachers on here have been very quick to tell parents we just have to suck it up because "people are dying", and quick to jump on anyone who has any concerns that are not strictly Covid related. Apparently we just have to suck it up and do our bit, who cares if we're working full time while also simultaneously home schooling primary school children.

Yet a suggestion that teachers could help out by moving their annual leave dates for one year, is instantly met with "no, I need my summer holiday, couldn't possibly work through autumn/winter without a 6 week break first".

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:48

With regards to results, there would be no remarks this year and all exam related admin is undertaken by support staff not teachers.

Really? Best tell that to the many teachers and teaching staff who are involved with exams and exam admin.

Also, how do you know exams won't take place?
So,e have already taken place and are due to in January - these are to go ahead, according to the government.
No one knows, for England anyway, as the government are unlikely to decide til March/April at best.
If they don't then staff will need to be producing grades for these children.

MumToBe1980 · 01/01/2021 11:48

Completely agree. Am actually surprised how blasé many parents are about their children's health, a summer holiday is more important and potential long term covid implications for their children!

Perfect28 · 01/01/2021 11:49

No way am I giving up my summer holiday after this shit show of a stressful and dangerous year.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:49

@Abraxan i don't understand your point. I simply responded that not all teachers are on performance related pay. Whether they are a minority or not I don't know but I'm not factually incorrect am I?

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 11:49

my post is all hypothetical. Another example of someone not reading properly.

It read as fact.
Maybe change your writing style.

IloveJKRowling · 01/01/2021 11:52

People can't say 'education is the most important thing' then complain about missing a holiday so their child can catch up.

Either education is vitally important or it's not. If it is, missing one holiday really doesn't matter much.

Children, even if they are briefly back in school in a Tier 4 area next week, won't be there for long. Schools are going to be massively disrupted with infection levels as they are. This reality does not seem to have sunk in yet, despite the reports from areas with high infection having 50% of staff and students off last term.

The option of having schooling as normal with 50,000 cases a day is just not an option any more. You might as well wish that every child magically wins 1 million quid on the lottery as it's about as likely to happen.

There are some areas which are still low, and fine, they can carry on - but in Tier 4 it's a choice of disrupted education from endless isolation / illness or planned remote learning to bring numbers down.

I would absolutely support catching up in the summer. However, if teachers are being forced back to unsafe work environments and suddenly expected to be covid testers as well I can see how their reply might be a resounding NO. They've been treated shoddily.

But in theory it's a sensible idea - and one that would be eagerly supported by anyone who really thinks education is the most important thing of all.

Cantstopeatingchocolate · 01/01/2021 11:53

It's kind of a moot point though.
There's no way any government can do this now at such short notice.
In June and July everyone was debating having shorter Xmas hols to catch up with what was missed during March -June
That's not happened and in fact schools were shut earlier and now won't be going back on time.
What happens at Easter when rates are still horrific. Do we shut the schools a bit longer then too and catch up at October? What happens when wave 4...5...6 hits???
Nobody knows what will happen this year or next.

There's no point planning a catch up that might but might not happen
For the record I think it is a good suggestion but it needed prior planning. Everyone knew wave 2 would hit pre Xmas and ideas like this should have been looked at in the summer hols to give parents and teachers plenty of notice to organise the logistics.

Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:54

Well then teachers should have performance linked pay

You posted this.
One, and other posters, have simply stated that most, if not all, teachers in England do indeed have performance linked pay.
Which was in response to your own statement.

You suggested teachers should have performance linked pay.
And were told that, actually, they do on the whole.

There are probably a small number who might not I guess. But as a general profession they do.

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Abraxan · 01/01/2021 11:55

[quote lulad]**@Abraxan* i don't understand your point. I simply responded that not all* teachers are on performance related pay. Whether they are a minority or not I don't know but I'm not factually incorrect am I? [/quote]
But yes, you are factually correct in that last statement.

There may well be a small number who are not on perf,acme related pay.

I had t realised we were discussing specifics, rather than just the profession in general.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:56

@Abraxan are you referring to me?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 11:56

All teachers have performance linked pay. No one ‘doesn’t’ have it.

lulad · 01/01/2021 11:56

I had t realised we were discussing specifics, rather than just the profession in general.

🤣🤣

phlebasconsidered · 01/01/2021 11:57

@lulad Academies do have prp. Without exception. Every single trust in my entire county does. It enables them to pay less and they are profit making. Academies LOVE prp. And ridicuolus targets too.

onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 11:58

@Goodbye2020Hello2021

my post is all hypothetical. Another example of someone not reading properly.

It read as fact.
Maybe change your writing style.

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 you should have read the first post.
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FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 11:59

lulad

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

those reports are about people that should have been piad for their hours but weren't.

I haven't said that all are paid overtime, that it why I have mentioned contracts etc.

ChloeDecker · 01/01/2021 11:59

[quote lulad]**@Abraxan* i don't understand your point. I simply responded that not all* teachers are on performance related pay. Whether they are a minority or not I don't know but I'm not factually incorrect am I? [/quote]
They are lilad, since 2014 in its new name (and performance related pay was used before that too but under a different guise. And academies are usually more hot on freezing pay too. It’s under the DfE directive. Ofsted check it during inspections.

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