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Why can't they change the school term?

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onedayinthefuture · 01/01/2021 01:06

No one is willing to make a case for a pretty obvious solution. Schools close, bring down infections significantly and get the vaccinations ramped up. The winter was always going to be bad, keep the schools closed throughout January and February. That's 7 weeks that then needs to be made up later in the year. There are MORE than enough weeks in the spring and summer to do this. Cancel exams, the current cohort have had too much disruption this year and last but ensure a fair and proper accountability for exam grades awarded by teachers / exam boards.

I work in a school and don't want to lose my summer holidays but surely this makes sense? Have the kids in school in the warmer months where the virus will be less of a threat. No teachers will need to teach throughout this shutdown. ALL learning will be resumed in the classroom. The online provision causes even more of a gap between rich and poor.

Teachers working to supervise key worker children to be paid extra. Working parents (especially mothers are stuffed I admit, but aren't we anyway).

Socialisation I would argue is more important than education (which can be made up) that's the main issue for kids of all ages. That's my sticking point but in the main most kids are with loving families.

Can anyone tell me what I am missing?

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HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:20

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FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 12:20

@lulad

I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Course your not because it doesn't fit your narrative. I haven't disagreed with the fact that some industry workers will get paid overtime just that it's not the norm.

The narrative that workers get paid for the hours that they work?

And that some don't based on their contracts?

Seems that you are just looking for disagreement.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:20

I’ve also worked in this ‘real world’ people talk of.

I logged on at 9 and logged off at 5.
I could also log on at 8 and log off at 4.
Or I could work longer days & accumulate hours for an extra day off.
I could ‘buy’ extra time for holidays.
Every hour I worked was counted and paid.
I got a full hour break at lunch all to myself.
I didn’t work evenings or weekends.
My workplace had a nursery attached to it on site. Subsidised rates.

Yeh, it was tough...

phlebasconsidered · 01/01/2021 12:21

@HancocksSexTears Happy New Year. Here's to you being happy enough in yourself next year that you don't have to get your jollies bullying and demonising others. Maybe you'll even make friends! 🍸

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:21

Parents mental health is suffering, children's mental health is suffering, all our mental health is suffering

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:22

Don't you have unions for that?

Nope.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:24

HancocksSexTears

Parents mental health is suffering, children's mental health is suffering, all our mental health is suffering

Then stop blaming, accusing, putting people down.
You’ll feel better if you are a bit kinder.

bringle · 01/01/2021 12:24

These threads are always so contentious & go way left veering from the original post which may have some validity.

poster "teachers need to be flexible like other workers"
poster "teachers have no flexibility"
poster "some do"
poster "well no one I know does so your point is irrelevant".

poster "I can't take anymore as a teacher."
poster "we are all suffering in some form"
poster "stop bashing us".

poster "everyone in the private sector gets on a bonus, high pay or was furloughed having the life of riley.
poster "well that's not true"
poster "stop with the whataboutery".

Imo it's ridiculous & I've been very surprised with some of the "teachers" points of view. Thankfully I know plenty in real life.

My kids are at a prep and last term was longer & so will next term be.

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:25

Remember that teachers are parents too Hancock

HancocksSexTears · 01/01/2021 12:25

[quote phlebasconsidered]@HancocksSexTears Happy New Year. Here's to you being happy enough in yourself next year that you don't have to get your jollies bullying and demonising others. Maybe you'll even make friends! 🍸[/quote]
HNY to you too, u don't know any of you personally, every time anyone raises an opinion opposite to what you collectively think, Lima pack of defensive wolves you strike then with teacher bashing. You never ever stop to think there may be a genuine reason why some parents have this difference of opinion. The service for many has been poor, we are all under pressure, we are all making allowances.

We know where we stand though, and god forbid anyone should come between your 6 week jolly and you, it's your god given entitlement.

Now that's fine for you to believe that, but it's also fine for others to disagree.

Isthatitnow · 01/01/2021 12:30

I already have a holiday booked as, I suspect, do many people. I didn’t get one last year, just moved it across. By far the majority of parents are going to prioritise going on holiday if they are able during the summer months - and this wojld be advantageous to the economy so many people are scared of ruining with lockdowns. Can you tell me on what basis I should lose my holiday when I would guess the majority of parents will remove their children from school if it’s open anyway? Why would your need for a family holiday after all this mess usurp my family’s need for a holiday?

Like many, I would be happy to do it if the classrooms were full and fines were payable at the airport for every school aged child as they fly out. Instead, what would happen is we teach a handful of kids at the expense of our own families. Kind of like this whole pandemic really - you can keep your kids out of school when you deem it too unsafe, but it’s my job to be there everyday, regardless of my personal circumstances, and take the risks. When do school staff get a genuine break from all this shit, eh?

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:30

Hancock

You’ve gone from being pretty nasty on here to ‘you don’t know my situation boo hoo’.

As long as YOUR needs are met everything is fine. Fk the lazy teachers and their ‘jollies’. That’s what you’re saying

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/01/2021 12:32

And as a teacher, l wouldn’t send my y10 dd in over the summer.

FrippEnos · 01/01/2021 12:32

HancocksSexTears

Parents mental health is suffering, children's mental health is suffering, all our mental health is suffering

but it's also fine for others to disagree

Yet its you being the hypocrite with the name calling.

Funny that.

BunsyGirl · 01/01/2021 12:33

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 When my teacher brother worked in industry, he was working 16-18 hour days and they tried to sack him when he made a mistake (because he was exhausted). When he complains about teaching, I remind him of this and suggest that he would like to go back to his pre-teaching job. He always declines!

And, as I’ve said above in the thread, unless you’ve done an all nighter, you don’t know what long hours are. In my 20’s I did it on many occasions. Work all night, get a cab home at 6. Shower and change and then back on the train to work at 8. I hold my hands up, I can’t do it now. That’s why I had the upmost admiration for the midwife that was on duty for the whole 20 hours that I was in the delivery unit when I had my first child. Even more so as what she was doing impacted on the difference between life and death. I could only lose a few million for clients.

lljkk · 01/01/2021 12:34

I wouldn't mind the school term changed.
I have no influence, of course. I can see why it's another huge headache & opposed by many.

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 12:36

@HancocksSexTears

Parents mental health is suffering, children's mental health is suffering, all our mental health is suffering
So stop piling it on.
Isthatitnow · 01/01/2021 12:37

Ok so Underperforming means not worth the price tag any longer and probably not value for money, which happens everywhere, there's a cap and a ceiling on everything, once your not pulling it out the bag some bright young thing will do it for half the price - that's life

Education in this country is on a knife edge. If you think schools being stocked by 22:year old NQTs year after year is a good thing, you are very much mistaken. Experienced staff are an absolute essential in any school. That you can’t see why says it all.

christinarossetti19 · 01/01/2021 12:38

@HancocksSexTears

There's no argument y to o be won here, it's a pandemic and we all have to rub along, but we, the parents, will remember the inflexibility.
Many of us will remember the flexibility of teachers who staffed schools over the Easter holidays and half-term so that key worker parents could work and so that vulnerable children could go in.

And who are working through their Christmas break to fulfil the requirements of - yet another - 11th hour missive from the DfE.

CheckMyLeftPhalange · 01/01/2021 12:38

Teachers start to become a self fulfilling prophecy. Since joining Mumsnet I’ve definitely become a shitter teacher. Run a club for free after school? Swivel. Spend 3 hours in the evening preparing lovely resources for the lesson the next day. Not a chance. They can have some photocopied stuff instead. I work to rule far more since being on here. If people assume I’m doing it anyway then I jolly well will. Work in my holidays, even paid. Not on your nelly.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 01/01/2021 12:41

I thought about your suggestion carefully and considered the comments on the thread. On reflection, I will keep my summer holiday, thanks.

Perhaps you could offer extra pay to teachers so some may provide extra teaching in the summer? Or you could pay for tutors - I hear university students are quite keen for this kind of work. It would involve you sacrificing a bit of your wage but you will be helping the economy so it’s for the greater good.

MoreW1ne · 01/01/2021 12:41

@HancocksSexTears

You come across really bitter and spiteful but clearly this past year has been a tough one for you.

Maybe you don't feel valued by your own employer for the work you feel you do? Maybe you feel your children's school hasn't provided you with the best learning for your particular home circumstances in lockdown. Maybe you've seen/heard of others who have had an easier time off it. Or perhaps all of the above.

Either way, I hope this new year goes better for you. Smile

Goodbye2020Hello2021 · 01/01/2021 12:42

@Goodbye2020Hello2021 When my teacher brother worked in industry, he was working 16-18 hour days and they tried to sack him when he made a mistake (because he was exhausted). When he complains about teaching, I remind him of this and suggest that he would like to go back to his pre-teaching job. He always declines!

Is he on the same wage? Or did he take a pay cut when he changed careers?

I agree with your point about midwives (and any frontline NHS ward staff) I wouldn’t ever compare my teaching job with a job like that. They are amazing. There are MANY jobs I wouldn’t even begin to compare with mine.

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