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We are now in disaster medicine mode. We are no longer providing high standard critical care, because we cannot

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hepatocyte · 31/12/2020 18:54

twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1344701745130254343?s=20

Leaked email from Dr Julia Patterson, founder of campaign group EveryDoctor (you can see her tweet history re this on her Twitter account @JujuliaGrace*)

Published in the times too but behind a paywall.

I don’t understand why people are still denying there’s a problem :/

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MarshaBradyo · 01/01/2021 10:21

@HelloMissus

I don’t know anyone who is denying we are at a very difficult situation but I’m not sure blaming rule breakers is helping. People have to go to work, have to take public transport, have to send their kids to school.
I wouldn’t count this list as rule breakers.

I agree with pp best thing we can do is stop mixing outside what the guidelines are

SaltyAF · 01/01/2021 10:22

[quote Pomegranatespompom]@spababe please don’t send care packages. We mostly want people to stick to the rules. And more staff.[/quote]
Apart from anything else, on another thread about experiences of hospital staff, there are midwives and nurses saying that they were so short of time during the first peak that they didn't have time to eat / use the gifts so they mainly went to office staff.

twinkletoesimnot · 01/01/2021 10:26

[quote Pomegranatespompom]@EmmanuelleMakro I don’t generally work on itu but it’s pretty awful seeing the negative comments towards my colleagues who are having a dreadful time.

It’s particularly distasteful that some posters are using this thread to push their school agenda.[/quote]
Distasteful?!
Do you genuinely not see how the two might be connected. I am in no way trying to diminish what is going on in hospitals- and I do NOT have 'an agenda,' beyond hoping that numbers fall and things begin to come under more control.

EugenesAxe · 01/01/2021 10:28

@SchnitzelVonCrummsTum ah that's a shame. Love your username by the way!

It's a shame that they're having to be tied up doing this kind of thing. I feel we could recruit people to inoculate but I guess again it's logistically tricky.

@InMulieribus I'm sorry for your friend. I'm sorry too that you've taken the backlash about what you said badly - it's horrible when it happens on MN. But genuinely, I think accept that what you said was phrased clumsily, even if it wasn't meant to be, and move on.

HelloMissus · 01/01/2021 10:42

Marsha I don’t disagree that people should do what they can to act within the guidelines.
And from what I can see, most people are.

But with people having to work, travel, send children to school, care for relatives, shop for food, keep fit and healthy then the virus will still spread.
Don’t forget hairdressers etc are still open in tier 3. No one is breaking the rules by going for a perm.

It feels to me that people want to blame others. That is those others just did the right thing we wouldn’t be here. But I suspect we would.

Pomegranatespompom · 01/01/2021 10:44

@twinkletoesimnot That isn’t what I said, bit you know that. Quite frankly I’m exhausted and don’t need to be patronised today.

BBCONEANDTWO · 01/01/2021 12:32

@HelloMissus

Marsha I don’t disagree that people should do what they can to act within the guidelines. And from what I can see, most people are.

But with people having to work, travel, send children to school, care for relatives, shop for food, keep fit and healthy then the virus will still spread.
Don’t forget hairdressers etc are still open in tier 3. No one is breaking the rules by going for a perm.

It feels to me that people want to blame others. That is those others just did the right thing we wouldn’t be here. But I suspect we would.

au contraire mon frère - even before Covid - I'd suggest that anyone going for a perm is breaking the rules
mumwon · 01/01/2021 15:36

todays news seems to be saying that one of the reasons they want to do one dose for the moment is because (thank god) they also want to vax NHS staff on front line... (cant remember whether it was bbc or guardian - it may have been the running/update news)

mumwon · 01/01/2021 15:49

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-gps-pfizer-doses-change-b1780852.html
half way down they mention NHS England & NHS staff
(So sue me I am a newspaper junkie)

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