We are now in disaster medicine mode. We are no longer providing high standard critical care, because we cannot

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twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1344701745130254343?s=20

Leaked email from Dr Julia Patterson, founder of campaign group EveryDoctor (you can see her tweet history re this on her Twitter account @JujuliaGrace*)

Published in the times too but behind a paywall.

I don’t understand why people are still denying there’s a problem :/

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Why do you think we are close to peak @CherryRoulade
Not arguing, just wondering why you think that?

@InMulieribus don’t you think the MH of medics is in the toilet?

My son is one of the most stable unflappable people you would ever want to meet and to hear his youngest sibling tell me they were really worried for the effect it’s having on his MH was chilling.

I’m worried for my big son and he is hundreds of miles away and I can’t help him.

And don’t tell me how great it’s been and is going to be making memories with your angel. Coz that will get you deleted off my Facebook.

I would suggest it will rapidly start getting worse starting from about Jan 5 or 6.

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@InMulieribus oh piss off wih your attempt at subverting people’s views on this disaster. Who’s payroll are you on or is it voluntary work?[/quote]
WTAF?

My sector (Arts) closed in March. I haven't had a penny of income since then. I am absolutely fucked.

And you have the nerve to ask whether I'm doing voluntary work?

I recounted a conversation I had with someone. I'm sorry if this conversation doesn't fit with your own ideas about Covid and lockdowns. It certainly felt real to him, and to me.

Please tell me that was a very bad joke.

Government officials tell lies and they disobey their own policies. Nobody trusts them. Dominic Cummings was alright to decide what was best for his family so now people make their own decisions rather than adhering to rules or guidelines.

The media are reporting stuff in order to sell the newspapers. Accuracy is optional.

Skilled, knowledgeable and experienced professionals are being ignored. Sage want a full, hard national lockdown now with all schools and unis closed. And nobody is listening.

[quote Justamumofadoc]@InMulieribus don’t you think the MH of medics is in the toilet?

My son is one of the most stable unflappable people you would ever want to meet and to hear his youngest sibling tell me they were really worried for the effect it’s having on his MH was chilling.

I’m worried for my big son and he is hundreds of miles away and I can’t help him.

And don’t tell me how great it’s been and is going to be making memories with your angel. Coz that will get you deleted off my Facebook.[/quote]
I'm now thinking I'm in a parallel universe, @Justamumofadoc What the hell are you talking about? I mentioned someone I know who is suicidal. I have felt that way, too. I have every sympathy for anyone who feels this way, regardless of their views on Covid and lockdowns.

How could anyone possibly think I have no sympathy for people with MH problems which have been exacerbated by Covid/lockdown?

I don't even have a Facebook account. I really am completely baffled by your post.

All I was saying is that lockdown is hideous for so many people, and will evidently cause people to take their own lives. We all ought to be listening to this, not just sucking up whatever nonsense the government feeds us.

I'm choked by talking to RL people earlier (not soundbite people hired by the BBC) who are thinking about committing suicide as a direct result of lockdowns.

What did you mean by that then?

[quote CabinClose]@InMulieribus you think the doctors and nurses who speak to the BBC are soundbite people being paid? I don’t believe you think that. I think you know you’re making stuff up to try and seed doubt and discontent with the rules which are essential to get this under control. And I think people who wilfully do that should have their internet access removed.[/quote]
I have to reply to this too. I never, ever, said that anyone is being paid for anything. How did you come to this conclusion? I'm not making anything up. I worked in the Arts, and I reported a conversation I had with someone else in my field.

The very fact I have been pounced upon tells everyone everything they need to know about how the Arts have been fucked. If anyone posts anything, they must be weird/imagining it.

How depressing.

@InMulieribus
" I never, ever, said that anyone is being paid for anything. How did you come to this conclusion?

Really? And you don't understand what was offensive about:

soundbite people hired by the BBC

Despicable. Shame on you.

@Justamumofadoc

I'm choked by talking to RL people earlier (not soundbite people hired by the BBC) who are thinking about committing suicide as a direct result of lockdowns.

What did you mean by that then?

I meant that the person I spoke to has no voice. He isn't someone interviewed by the BBC. He is just an ordinary person who has spent 25 years making an ok living in hospitality, in the same way that I have done this in the Arts.

Why is it so heinous to say that people in the hospitality industry (or the Arts industry) are so desperate that suicide starts to seem like a reasonable response?

[quote cbt944]**@InMulieribus
" I never, ever, said that anyone is being paid for anything. How did you come to this conclusion?

Really? And you don't understand what was offensive about:

soundbite people hired by the BBC

Despicable. Shame on you.[/quote]
You what?

I am truly baffled. But shame on you for imputing things to me that I have neither said nor implied.

That’s not heinous. But it is weird to suggest that the doctors and medical professionals speaking to the BBC are soundbite people being paid.

Like Professor Hugh Montgomery, perhaps?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-55479018

@BBCONEANDTWO - I'm really glad my post was helpful. I thought several times about posting it but her organisation is not one that my family, or the families of many doctors I know, would be interested in being associated with.

@Justamumofadoc

That’s not heinous. But it is weird to suggest that the doctors and medical professionals speaking to the BBC are soundbite people being paid.

I never said anyone was being paid! I said "hired" by the BBC (should, in context, in fact have said LBC). I have done loads of BBC work, and 'hired' does not involve payment. It means 'giving your expert opinion, and you are so very privileged to be asked to do this by the marvellous BBC'.

This email is now an article in The Times and a news story on itv.com

www.itv.com/news/2020-12-31/covid-royal-london-hospital-operating-in-disaster-mode-unable-to-provide-high-standard-critical-care

3 patients to one ICU nurse.

"Disaster Medicene"

Oxygen shortages.

This seems to be a management problem , apparently thousands applied to help but the documentation they had to supply meant that thousands were unsuccessful.

This was my experience. After I'd submitted the same documents for the third time and spoken to someone about how shambolic it all was, I gave up. They continued to email me to thank me for my support. I worked in ITU in a large teaching hospital for 15 years.

@InMulieribus I never said anyone was being paid! I said "hired" by the BBC (should, in context, in fact have said LBC). I have done loads of BBC work, and 'hired' does not involve payment. It means 'giving your expert opinion, and you are so very privileged to be asked to do this by the marvellous BBC'.

I too have done media work and have never described myself as being 'hired' unless I'm being paid. Your use of 'hired' in contrast to the absence of other voices you wanted to hear from did, imo, imply that you felt, or wanted to give the impression, that the BBC (and/or other media outlets) were paying contributors for a specific, wanted viewpoint and ignoring others

[quote myrtleWilson]@InMulieribus I never said anyone was being paid! I said "hired" by the BBC (should, in context, in fact have said LBC). I have done loads of BBC work, and 'hired' does not involve payment. It means 'giving your expert opinion, and you are so very privileged to be asked to do this by the marvellous BBC'.

I too have done media work and have never described myself as being 'hired' unless I'm being paid. Your use of 'hired' in contrast to the absence of other voices you wanted to hear from did, imo, imply that you felt, or wanted to give the impression, that the BBC (and/or other media outlets) were paying contributors for a specific, wanted viewpoint and ignoring others[/quote]
Well, that is not the case. The BBC don't pay individual/freelance contributors - though you would know this, if you have worked for them. You work for them for the dubious glory of working for the BBC (I have in fact only ever worked for commercial channels, because I need to be paid for waffling).

I did not mean to give that impression. It was a lazy use of 'hired', and I would have thought more carefully, had I realised that people would jump on that word, rather than on the fact that the person to whom I hd spoken was thinking of committing suicide. The suicide point seemed more pertinent than the slack use of the word 'hiring' when I wrote my post.

@twinkletoesimnot

Why do you think we are close to peak *@CherryRoulade* Not arguing, just wondering why you think that?

Modelling based on DoHSC data suggests without variant suggests peak admissions by around 4 January and, therefore, peak ITU demand around the 11th. The variant has skewed modelling slightly but it’s still expected to be broadly in line with anticipated peak.

@Justamumofadoc

That’s not heinous. But it is weird to suggest that the doctors and medical professionals speaking to the BBC are soundbite people being paid.

No - no suggestion of anyone being paid. The BBC doesn't pay, because they are oh-brilliant that they don't need to.

@InMulieribus panicking because they’ve been rumbled. 😆

@FOJN

This seems to be a management problem , apparently thousands applied to help but the documentation they had to supply meant that thousands were unsuccessful.

This was my experience. After I'd submitted the same documents for the third time and spoken to someone about how shambolic it all was, I gave up. They continued to email me to thank me for my support. I worked in ITU in a large teaching hospital for 15 years.

This is very worrying - especially now when they need staff to administer vaccines, administrators, delivery drivers etc etc. I hate the red tape

Modelling based on DoHSC data suggests without variant suggests peak admissions by around 4 January and, therefore, peak ITU demand around the 11th. The variant has skewed modelling slightly but it’s still expected to be broadly in line with anticipated peak.

Does the modelling include loads of schools going back and children mixing indoors in classes of 30+ with no social distancing and no masks from the 4th Jan? I can't see it being the peak in early Jan in this scenario myself but I hope I'm wrong.