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We are now in disaster medicine mode. We are no longer providing high standard critical care, because we cannot

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hepatocyte · 31/12/2020 18:54

twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1344701745130254343?s=20

Leaked email from Dr Julia Patterson, founder of campaign group EveryDoctor (you can see her tweet history re this on her Twitter account @JujuliaGrace*)

Published in the times too but behind a paywall.

I don’t understand why people are still denying there’s a problem :/

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Mmn654123 · 31/12/2020 21:11

@MercyBooth

We were told this would be over in 12 weeks. No social distancing by November The November lockdown is to save/enable Christmas.

Id rather be told straight than , at best nudge theory or at worst, lies.

No we weren’t told that. The first lockdown was to prevent a crisis during the first wave. No second wave was always presented as a hope, not an expectation.

People heard what they wanted to hear.

Staffy1 · 31/12/2020 21:12

It's in the daily mail, so no media blackout.

Mmn654123 · 31/12/2020 21:18

[quote MercyBooth]www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/boris-johnson-uk-can-turn-tide-of-coronavirus-in-12-weeks[/quote]
Exactly. ‘Turn the tide’ doesn’t mean the water has gone away. It just means the worst would be over. If people had complied.

Which they didn’t.

Itisasecret · 31/12/2020 21:20

[quote MercyBooth]www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/boris-johnson-uk-can-turn-tide-of-coronavirus-in-12-weeks[/quote]
He said that last March.

PandemicPavalova · 31/12/2020 21:20

All the medics ranting about masks, I'm surprised they don't make the link between school crowds, linking up the community and schools?

I want to sd, we've not seen anyone this Xmas 🎄 we wear mask, we move out of people's way in the streeti shop on line or early or late.

But... In two weeks I'll be with 100 students, no sd, no masks, and my dc (I'm not sending them in because I do take their medical health seriously) will be exposed to hundreds more and no masks.

Then they may be expected to have an invasive test done by non medical professionals and one that is absolutely not safe or works!!giving confidence to positive pupils whose tests aid they were negative!!

Itisasecret · 31/12/2020 21:21

I just can’t believe we are in a worse state!

SchnitzelVonCrummsTum · 31/12/2020 21:21

To my knowledge, Dr Julia Patterson is NOT a doctor at the London Royal Free Hospital!

She lives in Ireland and is not a practicing NHS doctor.

A lot of doctors are very, very angry that she is professing to speak for the profession whilst entirely sheltered from Covid and its effects, whilst LMC and BMA members remain on the front line.

I don't disagree for a moment that the email she leaked is true BUT it's imperative that things are correctly attributed and Dr Patterson is not a frontline doctor bravely exposing 'the truth'.

As a doctor's wife, I wish that the actual recipient of the email had been brave enough to show their face but understand why not.

PandemicPavalova · 31/12/2020 21:22

BTW they say...

Schools and teachers have worked hard to make school safe as if.. Its down to them, ie there is only so much that can be done agaisnt an airborne virus.

But boris saying they work to make school safe, doesn't mean they are safe!

SchnitzelVonCrummsTum · 31/12/2020 21:24

Objective details about Dr Patterson and her organisation:

www.everydoctor.org.uk/team

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/29/doctors-quit-nhs-austerity-stress-staff-shortages

PandemicPavalova · 31/12/2020 21:25

Lemon stage studies say that we are in unknown waters re children now.

Orthelia · 31/12/2020 21:25

I was listening to LBC radio this afternoon and there was an ITU consultant called Jack who called in. I was choked listening to him

Oh goodness, that's awful. 😢

MercyBooth · 31/12/2020 21:27

@Mmn654123 there was over 95% compliance in the first lockdown.

ancientgran · 31/12/2020 21:27

@TurquoiseBaubles She isn't the only one. She says there are few shifts where most of them aren't crying at some stage with frustration and fear of disaster caused by inability to cope with the workload and number of patients they are meant to be looking after. That is awful, I am lucky in that my son is very laid back, has been described as horizontal, so if he hadn't got covid he'd have been the shoulder to cry on. Nothing ever seems to phase him but that has protected him from the virus.

I hope your DD gets a break but I fear it won't be for a while yet.

Itisasecret · 31/12/2020 21:28

@PandemicPavalova

BTW they say...

Schools and teachers have worked hard to make school safe as if.. Its down to them, ie there is only so much that can be done agaisnt an airborne virus.

But boris saying they work to make school safe, doesn't mean they are safe!

It’s not just the Government though. Some parents are happy to turn a blind eye some even encouraging unsafe practice. They are all collectively to blame and now we will be in this shit show for longer. Closed/open no KW or V places or remote learning. If staff are sick, they are sick. I don’t think my children will be going back, I think schools will be closed for longer.

The NHS is under huge strain now.

For everyone that turned a blind eye and thinks it is ok this is allowed. Mass gatherings without masks in the known main drivers of infection. You’re part of the problem.

ancientgran · 31/12/2020 21:31

that hasn't protected him from the virus. I think I'm cracking up.

Mmn654123 · 31/12/2020 21:32

[quote MercyBooth]@Mmn654123 there was over 95% compliance in the first lockdown.[/quote]
Measurement based on what variables?

ancientgran · 31/12/2020 21:35

@MercyBooth A friend of mine works in the NHS as a hospital cleaner. The front line staff are fantastic. Its the bloody management that are the problem not the skilled people on the front line. Your friend is also vital and being exposed to the virus. I take my hat off to them all, the doctors , nurses, HCA, porters, cleaners. Where would we be without them?

MercyBooth · 31/12/2020 21:39

@ancientgran Totally agree.

abitofpeace · 31/12/2020 21:42

I was saying to my dh tonight how we all clapped for the NHS in March and now it’s like all their efforts are forgotten. We are in Tier 4 with vast majority of people still mixing households and ‘bubbling up’ (this is a convenient phrase to use despite being totally incorrect).

We’ve stayed in, worn masks but next week our dcs will be in big classes and people will continue to have play dates,sleepovers etc. While schools are open we haven’t got a chance with the virus and the NHS will be under terrible strain.

Dannn · 31/12/2020 21:48

I’m an ICU nurse at another London hospital, can confirm the situation is absolutely dire. We’re in a far worse place than we were going into the first wave, multiple staff off sick or isolating. Mental health and well-being is in tatters. It’s utterly demoralising going into work every day knowing that you will not be able to give good care to your patients are we are so short staffed / stretched. Lots of love for all my fellow NHS colleagues and thank you to everyone else who has posted messages of support Flowers

Keepdistance · 31/12/2020 21:49

They 100% do /are manipulating the media! maybe no on this i dont know
But they are re schools.
Tell me how many cases in local schools?
Tell me of schools that look like the articles (masks/temp checks/distancing)

And obviously it is concerning in that how do we know what is real? I mean obviously they being a bit silly re schools as we all kniw they dont look like that. Though an issue may be that in years to come or in other countries it may look like that is what happened.
But it is true they could say x hospital is overwhelmed or not in order to.make us behave. and honestly i do wonder what else we have been lied to about. Brexit terms etc

Hardbackwriter · 31/12/2020 21:53

No one cares about the NHS anymore, we clapped for them a few months back but I think people are bored of that now. Trotting out the same old “winter pressures” line every time someone pipes up about the NHS.

I think the surprise is that anyone is surprised that some people aren't willing to do all they're currently being asked to do to protect the NHS. People have consistently, over years, not been willing to pay slightly higher taxes to protect the NHS; they voted back in - with a resounding majority - a prime minister who literally refused to look at a picture of a child lying on a hospital floor so that he didn't have to admit that the NHS was in crisis. I actually think it's the level of compliance that's been surprising. Which isn't to say that I support or condone non-compliance.

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2020 21:53

They should have vaccinated all the front line nhs staff first.
I have been shielding since March and am anxious to get my vaccine, but I am retired so I will wait my turn patiently.

trixiebelden77 · 31/12/2020 21:55

If only ‘all the medics’ with their ‘ranting’ were as smart as Pandemic Pavlova, who can see the true root of the problem with her superior insight.

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