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If this doesn’t make you think twice about breaking COVID rules....

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Strawberrycreamsundae · 31/12/2020 11:35

Then nothing will......🤬😡
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55479018

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DBML · 31/12/2020 13:49

My classroom is supposed to look like this. Two person desks.

My actual room looks like this, with 3 kids crammed onto two person desks to fit 36 in a room. The ironic thing is that I’ve actually drawn the room far too big.

If this doesn’t make you think twice about breaking COVID rules....
If this doesn’t make you think twice about breaking COVID rules....
DBML · 31/12/2020 13:49

So who has blood on their hands?

sqirrelfriends · 31/12/2020 13:50

I think his comments may be hyperbolic but he's probably really pissed off by this point.

I've seen it on mumsnet and I've seen it on Facebook, you're a busybody and a grass if you're bothered by your neighbours having gatherings or breaking the rules. This should not be the attitude we have, we're all in this together and the actions of those who break the rules can literally translate to more people being infected and dying.

It's so selfish to just carry on as normal.

TheGreatWave · 31/12/2020 14:00

@DishingOutDone

I think its good to see the extreme attitudes on here. I like to see all points of view. Personally I would not have believed any reasonable adult would vilify this man, question his experience and his motives etc., had I not read it on here.
It is not an extreme attitude to think that telling people that they have blood on their hands for, say, going to work in a meat factory, is counter-productive, unhelpful and scaremongering.
IloveJKRowling · 31/12/2020 14:03

So who has blood on their hands?

In the case of schools, the DfE because they explicitly said no masks in schools. And haven't funded any other mitigation (smaller class sizes etc).

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2020 14:03

It is easy to tell who has family working in ITU, A&E, Ambulance service atm and who hasn't.

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2020 14:05

To be fair, he was talking about people having Christmas and New Year parties.

HelloMissus · 31/12/2020 14:05

He’s obviously very stressed.
And he’s right about keeping NYE celebrations for another time.

But I do not like this blame game at all. Many people have no option but to go to work, to ride public transport, to send their DC to school and childcare settings, to care for elderly relatives, to mix in their house shares etc etc

And I do not like the overplaying of language. Entire families being wiped out?
I’m certain if any child had lost both parents and all their siblings to Covid it would have been reported. There is no need for this nonsense.
Things are bad enough without this.

herecomesthsun · 31/12/2020 14:11

I suspect it's likely to be a family where the "child" is over 18, still sad if multiple generations of a family have either died or are very ill in ICU.

DBML · 31/12/2020 14:14

@HelloMissus

I’ve heard about a child losing both parents to Covid.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-boy-4-loses-both-parents-to-coronavirus-just-months-apart-12133847

I just hope that none of the 36 children I cram into my room at any given time lose anyone they love.
I don’t want schools closed, but I’d really appreciate my class size being halved for now and additional staff brought in to more safely teach the other half.

INeedADayOff · 31/12/2020 14:15

What an absolute prick!

JuliaDomna · 31/12/2020 14:15

I think all of you who are critical should listen to him and his team recounting their experiences in the first wave. He treated Michael Rosen who also recounts his ordeal. Professor Montgomery also lost his 18 year old son in the summer (not covid related). It is very sobering.

BBC Radio 4 - The Reunion - The Covid Ward
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000qlzh

HibernatingTill2030 · 31/12/2020 14:16

He's clearly not talking about people going to work etc.
He's talking about intra-household mixing and gatherings.
Those people are partly to blame. Like it or not, and regardless of where else people are catching it. Unnecessary social mixing is one of the few things we have control over.

time4anothername · 31/12/2020 14:19

listening to the whole interview rather than the soundbites, he seems to be trying to say while keeping patient confidentiality and aware presumably of the strict media rules Trusts have in place that mean he may suffer for his honesty for a long time to come, that he was called back in at 4.30am for an emergency for a pregnant woman who he had seen a few hours earlier and seemed to be doing OK, but who suddenly crashed and "wasn't OK anymore".

The man is watching people die and become disabled in the most traumatic way, presumably not able to provide optimal oxygen flow due to the London hospitals' oxygen delivery systems being overloaded, and the other truths of trying to provide medical care in a system without capacity.
Imagine being exhausted and seeing that loss of life, knowing more is to come, and being picked up on your words because you didn't qualify your statement with "apart from those who are clinically exempt from wearing masks".

herecomesthsun · 31/12/2020 14:20

Another doctor here.

Apparently
"Senior clinicians in multiple hospitals tell [her] they are desperate to show the reality inside our ICUs, wards and EDs. They aren't allowed to. All comms have been centralised.

... [She knows] this to be true at a Trust level too. CEOs who want to show the truth and can't.

...Meanwhile frontline staff like [her] risk our jobs, potentially, to try and warn the public to stay home, keep their distance, believe the gravity of the situation.

...That can't be right, can it? Where is the transparency and leadership?

... Where is putting patients first??

itsgettingweird · 31/12/2020 14:23

"Anyone not social distancing or wearing masks"

That's be all pupils and staff in schools then?

Yay!!!!! Another thing to bash teachers over

endofthelinefinally · 31/12/2020 14:25

@time4anothername

listening to the whole interview rather than the soundbites, he seems to be trying to say while keeping patient confidentiality and aware presumably of the strict media rules Trusts have in place that mean he may suffer for his honesty for a long time to come, that he was called back in at 4.30am for an emergency for a pregnant woman who he had seen a few hours earlier and seemed to be doing OK, but who suddenly crashed and "wasn't OK anymore". The man is watching people die and become disabled in the most traumatic way, presumably not able to provide optimal oxygen flow due to the London hospitals' oxygen delivery systems being overloaded, and the other truths of trying to provide medical care in a system without capacity. Imagine being exhausted and seeing that loss of life, knowing more is to come, and being picked up on your words because you didn't qualify your statement with "apart from those who are clinically exempt from wearing masks".
Exactly. I feel desperately sorry for the staff who are literally on their knees, seeing previously young, fit people dying, seeing their colleagues desperately sick, remembering the ones who have died. They are begging people to wear their masks, socially distance, wash their hands and not have parties. Yet, look around, there are selfish people breaking all those rules.

NHS staff are dropping like flies and the ones still standing are at breaking point.

Nowhere did he criticise people who have to work, or cannot tolerate a mask.

HelloMissus · 31/12/2020 14:26

DBML exactly. One person in Texas. So unusual it hit world headlines.
So this doctor probably hasn’t seen similar cases, has he?

Also, I’d be interested what he thinks of his patients who caught Covid by breaking rules.
Do they have their own blood on their own hands? No one to blame but their rule breaking own selves?

Popcornriver · 31/12/2020 14:27

Oh wow what a great article with some of those frightening comments. I know it's to help the message of don't mix for new years parties but not what I want to be hearing a few days before the government has told me I must send my child to school. Where of course group sizes are likely to be more than the average group gatherings on NYE. And surely most of the cases seen in hospitals right now are from people who have followed the restrictions?

ghoulbag · 31/12/2020 14:27

@time4anothername

listening to the whole interview rather than the soundbites, he seems to be trying to say while keeping patient confidentiality and aware presumably of the strict media rules Trusts have in place that mean he may suffer for his honesty for a long time to come, that he was called back in at 4.30am for an emergency for a pregnant woman who he had seen a few hours earlier and seemed to be doing OK, but who suddenly crashed and "wasn't OK anymore". The man is watching people die and become disabled in the most traumatic way, presumably not able to provide optimal oxygen flow due to the London hospitals' oxygen delivery systems being overloaded, and the other truths of trying to provide medical care in a system without capacity. Imagine being exhausted and seeing that loss of life, knowing more is to come, and being picked up on your words because you didn't qualify your statement with "apart from those who are clinically exempt from wearing masks".
He said it on a radio show put out by the national state broadcaster. If you don’t want to be picked up on your inaccurate/insensitive/irresponsible words, say them quietly to yourself.
LacyEdge · 31/12/2020 14:27

The medics should say fuck it and just speak out. What are they going to do, sack them all in a pandemic? The public needs that information.

Although I appreciate that they have more to think about right now than running indie public information campaigns. It’s a mess, that’s for sure.