Neighbour has people staying over for a week now

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We are Tier 2.
Visitors arrived the day it was announced London was going into Tier 4 and neighbour happily told DH that visitors had 'got out before lockdown'.
Neighbour only moved in this Summer from Surrey.
She is on her own (normally) so I suppose they formed a support bubble.
Must be a few of them though as there are now 3 cars on the drive instead of 1.
WWYD? Anything?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'We leave at different times because my two children work in different places. And do different shifts. We don’t all arrive together. I take my car because I have the cage for the dog in my boot.'

Ah right. Got it. If she's elderly I'd maybe just keep it to you visiting? Or even one at a time what with social distancing and all. That's just me though I'm a stasi as I like to reduce risk.

Can’t do that. Unfortunately we all needed to be there at the same time. For a very good reason that is allowed even regardless of bubbles.

But you carry on making judgements.

Perhaps their house burned down?

Perhaps they sold their house and had to get out in order to keep the chain secure.

Perhaps they have three cars because it’s perfectly feasible for a bubble to have 3 cars if they have two driving children in their bubble.

Perhaps single neighbour was going to kill herself and the whole bubble came to support her.

Perhaps they followed the rules to the letter and left London before tier 4 and have done nothing wrong at all.

Perhaps they didn’t. But really. Is it important? Do you drive at the speed limit everywhere and follow all the rules all of the time?

I hate the rule breakers and the people who take the piss.

I hate the self-appointed covid police more. Just fuck off and mind your own business, all of you. You have no idea what’s going on in people’s lives.

@Katie517

It amazes me how people seem to think everyone has family living in the next street. My support bubble (I have an under 1 year old) are my parents they live 80 miles away, my PIL live 150 miles away so we chose the “closest” option available to us. OP just mind your own business they are not harming you and are doing nothing wrong. Travel to see support bubbles is permitted across ALL tiers.

This.

What I would do, is mind my own fucking business

I live alone, but close to my parents. My sister who lives 150miles away is my support bubble. She comes and stays for a weekend with my niece. I chose my sister so that she can see my parents from outside as they are both in their 70s and my dad was having chemo. You can travel for a support bubble and you don't their circumstances.

@DecemberSun

Ignore the fuckwits who say it isn't your business. Of course it is everyone's business. It's people like your neighbour and visitors who are spreading the virus.

Report her.

No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. A support bubble is treated as one household.

Why would you do anything? I am my parents support bubble and have been here for 1.5 weeks now. I'd be mortified if the neighbours thought I was breaking any rules. Luckily they are on very good terms and they know but oh gosh. Wish people weren't so nosey.

There's nothing you can do. People are using the excuse of support bubbles to travel miles from tier 4 areas. No wonder we're up to 53,000 new cases.

People are traveling miles and miles inbetween tiers to meet with 'support bubbles'. It does seem unfair that because A has a distant relative in Cornwall (they haven't seen in years) A can go from London to Cornwall but because I don't have a distant relative in Cornwall I can't go to Cornwall. How is A and their family going to Cornwall any more or less risky than me driving to Cornwall and staying on my own?
Cases will continue to increase and prolong the suffering for many, but when someone tries to point this out others get very aggressive and say 'mind your own business'. Yes well those putting others at risk should be everyone's business.

@DecemberSun I hope the op does report and it is a genuine support bubble and the rest of the street find out it was her that reported it and shun her for all eternity. Ffs.

No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. A support bubble is treated as one household.

Where does it say it's a support bubble? Clue - it doesn't. Fertile imagination you have there. If it is a bubble then any investigation will discover that. If it isn't then it's illegal.

And it is everyone's business to help stop the spread of the virus.

No it isn't, don't be ridiculous. A support bubble is treated as one household.

But how many households can form a bubble? Most of my friends , co- workers and neighbours have formed a bubble with parents, in-laws, siblings, DC and their families. So basically their entire family around the country (numerous separate households) are a support bubble. Entire extended families going in and out of each other's homes with no masks ('because we're a bubble') is carrying on as normal and not helping to lower risk.

Me and my children are bubbled only with my aunt. She is bubbled only with us (she lives alone and is childless). She’s also 54 miles away from me if that makes a difference.

My children are not bubbled with anyone else and are adults who go to work but still live at home.

'I live alone, but close to my parents. My sister who lives 150miles away is my support bubble. She comes and stays for a weekend with my niece. I chose my sister so that she can see my parents from outside as they are both in their 70s and my dad was having chemo. You can travel for a support bubble and you don't their circumstances.'

You do know the rules are there to protect people, not punish them? So yes, like many/most you've got round them. However if she isn't in direct contact then obviously the risk to your df isn't greater. Unlike anyone else she may come into contact with and vice versa.

It’s not getting around them. It’s doing exactly as the law allows.

Good grief, I am glad I don't live next door to you.

It sounds like it could be a genuine non rule breaking bubble.

If there was a different group staying with your neighbour each week, or friends over partying or heaven forbid, 3 different cars on the driveway every day then by all means twitch away.

But in the mean time, keep away from the window.

Immediately call the Police! The horror! The shame!

Hmm. OP hasn’t come back. Wondering if this is a reverse?

Well if they stay long term what’s the problem? I got myself out of London back to my folks place (in Ireland) 2 weeks before Christmas- isolated for the 2 weeks first in my room! Don’t know how long I’m staying - have my laptop and work stuff - so will be able to work from here! Probably be here well into January - possibly longer not sure when I’m allowed back to the U.K. 😂

This reminds me of that Alan Bennet Talking Heads episode, Lady of Letters.

It occurs to me that some people don’t object so much to the idea of support for those in need - they object to them actually enjoying the company of those they are gaining support from / giving support to. It’s a little like those who think you should only be able to get lentils and rice from food banks. I put it down to the stress everyone is experiencing from restrictions and high case numbers, it is hard to find things to distract yourself at the moment.

That's the dilemma though - I understand that the neighbour might need mental support etc but I also understand that people coming from Tier 4 to Tier 2 and staying for a week and visiting the garden centre and a local cafe and shops etc spreads the virus and adds to the load on our local NHS services.
Those of you who have replied slagging me off have not understood the dilemma - that flouting the rules is all of our business because it affects us all.

They'd also have to have the virus to spread it. Key component there...

They also aren't breaking any rules from what you said

They are not flouting the rules.

Will you feel better if the police turn up and do nothing ir is the only thing that will make you feel good is for the police to penalise this family?