To think they should be aiming for 1 million vaccines per day

[maddening]

Once the Oxford vaccine is approved, we have purchased 100 million doses, they could have 30 million 1st and 2nd doses complete by the end of Feb. We have 6800 go surgeries, there is talk of the army and football stadiums and sports halls being used. There are over 11000 chemists. And then the news is Sage discussing 1million per week? Wtf? 4 million 1st doses and million 2nd doses - so 4million every 2 months is never enough, surely they can't be seriously aiming for 1m a week?

@user1471565182

As I said, the UK already gives out 1 million seasonal flu jabs a week. They dont need established NHS places to give out vaccinations. they need a room somewhere with some slightly trained staff.

Haha so erm you're just gonna sit in a closed room with a big old dewer of off gassing nitrogen are you?

It's still an experimental vaccine and won't be suitable for everyone.

@user1471565182

1 million a week will take a year. How many high risk cases will have died by then or be disabled from effects.

Not that many since the over 80s, care home residents and staff and healthcare workers should be vaccinated by end of Feb.

Totally agree. If we can do half a million covid tests per day, we can easily do the same for the vaccine, if enough supplies are available.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

Neither of the vaccines requires liquid nitrogen. The AZ one is refrigerated.

Sorry your right dry ice early reports where nitrogen.

Dry ice is more manageable but still consumable.

-70 refrigerator is big

Can't help logistics as not my field, but there has been blustering talk of massive plans, army etc. And now we are looking at such a slow program.

Crazy thread, OP. Given you know jack shit about logistics and healthcare, why do you think your opinion about the speed of the program is at all valid?

Whatever we do it won’t be enough. At least we have two vaccines now approved and starting the second on Monday. Meanwhile the Netherlands are up in arms because they won’t start with the Pfeizer vaccine until 8th Jan and that is only in one location. Mass locations start 21st Jan. Last country in Europe :-(

When I got mine it wasn't the lack of poel administering the vaccin but the "data processing",
Although I had a phone call to invite me for it, there was no record of it when I got to the centre. This wasn't just me, but other people as well. So I actually ended up spending 2 hours at the centre.

It's a bit more than just pushing the needle in someone's arm, you/they have to record who gets which batch when where.

@user1471565182

Reports now of vaccines being disposed of because theyre out of date and not been used.

Hardly any, as we'll have got through the most vulnerable in the first three months.

At the moment I am too young to be on the schedule at all and it doesn't bother me.

DH will get it in the very last tranche as he is over 50 but has no underlying conditions. My son goes to uni in September though, and I think students should get vaccinated before 40 somethings like me who can work at home and are very low risk.

Hopefully long covid will be much reduced as the viral load should be much less with people wearing masks and staying out of each other's way indoors as much as possible.

And vaccines are not being wasted - if GPs and vaccination centres have them left, they offer them to local NHS and care staff who haven't received theirs yet.

Another fucking shambles and you all know it. A year they've had to set this up but theyve pissed away time and money with backhanders to their mates

@Heyahun

Lolz 😂. The whole world has vaccines on order and they need to be shared. The U.K. doesn’t just get the amount they want all at once

We are the only ones that have licensed it so far. It is being manufactured in the UK so we will get it pretty quickly and the moment.

@user1471565182

Another fucking shambles and you all know it. A year they've had to set this up but theyve pissed away time and money with backhanders to their mates

Yes, but the government aren't organising the role out of the vaccine.

role roll

I'd like them to do everybody in week 1, but since I know nothing about logistics I'm going to assume that that's not possible and that someone who knows more than I do has decided that the current approach is the way to go.

Shame they can't issue a stack of vaccines to the testing centres and have medical personell there to capture those as they attend. Then they get an appointment for 18 days later (or so) to come for the second dose.

Suppose little Matthew will be fake crying on morning TV again and we'll forget about it all.

Right, the government has no control over our health and public services. Heard it all now.

@user1471565182 think yourself lucky you are in the U.K. with two vaccines approved and rolling out the fastest in the world.

Another fucking shambles and you all know it. A year they've had to set this up but theyve pissed away time and money with backhanders to their mates

Actually although I'd like our roll out to be faster than 1million a week I think the UK is leading the way on the vaccinations.

The EU only started with Pfizer a few days ago and are no doubt going to spend more time arguing about who pays what and gets what.

The UK just got on with getting the job done and had vaccinated half a million if our most vulnerable before pretty much any other country had even got started. Many many countries have done no vaccinations at all yet.

I think we're doing well with this. We'd always want more and quicker - it's natural in such situations, but this is not a shambles. Far from it.

@Lindy2

Another fucking shambles and you all know it. A year they've had to set this up but theyve pissed away time and money with backhanders to their mates

Actually although I'd like our roll out to be faster than 1million a week I think the UK is leading the way on the vaccinations.

The EU only started with Pfizer a few days ago and are no doubt going to spend more time arguing about who pays what and gets what.

The UK just got on with getting the job done and had vaccinated half a million if our most vulnerable before pretty much any other country had even got started. Many many countries have done no vaccinations at all yet.

I think we're doing well with this. We'd always want more and quicker - it's natural in such situations, but this is not a shambles. Far from it.

I think we're doing well too.I don't people think people realise how good the scientists and healthcare professionals are in the UK.

I think we're doing well too.I don't people think people realise how good the scientists and healthcare professionals are in the UK.

I think some people sit in their own echo chambers and don’t have the context from the rest of the world.

I've been thinking something similar. At a rate of a million a week, and given you're supposed to have two, it will take over 2 years to vaccinate everybody. By the time there's a semblance of herd immunity, the virus will probably have mutated a thousand times over and the vaccine may no longer even be effective. Surely no one really thinks that's good enough. A useful metaphor might be to imagine taking your antibiotic course at a rate of one tablet every other day. They should deploy vaccination teams to go into workplaces, or do areas street by street. This is the sort of thing the army is good at.

@ConquestEmpireHungerPlague the point of the vaccine is to protect the NHS eg stop death and hospitalisation. That has been proven with only one dose of the vaccine. And given the vast majority of people hospitalised are over a certain age or have underlying health conditions - we don’t need to wait for EVERYONE to have two doses to feel the effect.

That was meant to say - the main point of the vaccine is to stop death and hospitalisation - which if hospitals are overwhelmed will cause more death.

They've booked large venues across the UK. I know there are plans to use a local premiership football stadium for vaccination in expectation of MHRA approval.