Where are people catching it?

[ilkleymoorbartat]

Presumably people in Tier 4 are hardly using public transport, the buses in London are empty. Schools are off, pubs are closed. Everyone I know is obeying the rules, possibly going for outside walks with one other person. Where is this massive spread coming from?

Just got word that a science teacher at the school where I was a teacher has died of Covid.

Unless he was looking particularly youthful for his age, we think he’s in his forties and with no obvious health issues.

I’m livid. Burning with rage. Will there be more of us who die?

(Please don’t argue that ‘he could have caught it anywhere’ when we know that it was most likely school. We’re in tier 3 so for the last 28 days we know he hadn’t been anywhere with large gatherings).

Apart from the obvious - schools, colleges and hospitals and Xmas gatherings I'd say supermarkets and petrol stations are the other most likely places if hands aren't sanitised or gloved. Door handles, petrol pumps, handling goods and shelving, trolleys, baskets and card keypads.

It’s impossible for it not to spread as people have to work, kids have been going to school and we all need food shopping. Many people are sticking to the rules and still catching it. I suspect most cases are coming from schools, work places and hospitals, a few from supermarkets and of course there will be people who mixed over Christmas who will be testing positive in the coming days. Unless you are in total isolation then you are at risk of catching it.

The three families we know have had a member attending outpatients who was the first to test positive, not all have a school age child.

Recently round here in families I know...
Young adult caught it probably at work infected whole family 3
13 caught it at school infected whole family 6
Elderly hospital transmission - discharged with it, infected whole family 4

Schools, the led up to Christmas buses were full.

I am so fed up with people changing rules to suit themselves. My retired MIL (who has chronic emphysemia and SIL (works in village grocery shop) live together, but they have chosen to bubble with MIL'S SIL (has acute kidney problems) who had a Christmas Day party. My mother, who has been poorly and hospitalised prior to Christmas would love to have had family to visit, has not due to C19 rules. Why do people keep flauting rules and then are surprised with raised Covid cases/deaths?

The only place I’d been in the 10days before positive test was hospital and supermarket.

Hospital!! Reports of 10% nhs clinical staff being off with covid symptoms

And people breaking the rules by mixing indoors. And in the coming days we’ll start seeing the outcome of mixing during the Xmas time

Everyone I know recently has caught it from school and then passed it on via support bubbles or household .

We had an outbreak of five cases in our office. Started with one person catching it from his teenage son and not realising until it was too late, so (indirectly) school.

Sorry, should have said that no masks were worn either - families from different households travelling together in cars, no precautions.

There was another thread below this on Active about an NYE party invite. For every one of us doing the right thing, there is another 5 who are not.

My ex and his father are two of them and I cannot physically or legally stop my kids going there. So I cannot "bubble" with anyone, but if I did, within the rules, I would be putting a lot of people at risk.

People not following the rules. We are in Tier 4. Every day this week whilst we’ve been out walking I’ve seen groups of young people (maybe late teens or early twenties) hanging around in groups.
(I know older folk can be just as bad btw!)

Well during lock down it was clearly flourishing in Kent! In schools.

They are crowds every day..

I went to Holland and Barrett today to collect an online order. The assistant came pretty close to me (less than half a meter) for a few moments whilst we were looking for my name on the list to sign the click and collet order. She borrowed my pen. I'm guessing this is pretty common.

Both cases I know are from workplaces (one office and one transport related job). All households with children attending schools.

Supermarkets and essential shops obviously.

Hang up from school/delay in spread.
Supermarkets, you know it’s airborn right and people aren’t wearing full PPE.
People getting lifts/taxis
The idiots going to their neighbours house for a cuppa thinking it’s fine.
Meeting your friend in the park. You know the outside doesn’t give you a magic forcefield?

At work (hospital) due to inadequate PPE.

In my home, from my dd who brought it home from her secondary school at the end of term. My ds also has it. The government failed spectacularly by forcing secondary schools yo stay open til the end of term.

I’m sure we all got it from my youngest teen who gets the bus to and from school, he’s either got it from school or public transport but hasn’t had any symptoms. Then my husband got symptoms, then my other son and I did.

I think people are putting too much emphasis on schools

Yes there are tons missing schools but that’s often due to bubbles and not actual numbers - numbers can be high but it’s more work/ friends than school

Cases in my town have been doubling for ages yet none of the 3 high schools had a single case in December - both my kids have had 100% attendance and I’m tier 3!

Almost everyone I know works tho

People are using public transport. I am in tier 4 and still need to go in to work. I travel by train, I know lots of others who get trains and buses too.