Where are people catching it?

[ilkleymoorbartat]

Presumably people in Tier 4 are hardly using public transport, the buses in London are empty. Schools are off, pubs are closed. Everyone I know is obeying the rules, possibly going for outside walks with one other person. Where is this massive spread coming from?

We went for a walk and to the country park today in tier 4 area and lots of people meeting other people in large groups. Might be outside but can see how it is still spreading.

Think that's exactly it! I though going to Asda at 930pm would minimise the risk. I'm just glad it was me that got it and not the kids (I know there's a lot of speculation if they can etc) thanks for the well wishes. I've been lucky, a neighbour has dropped essentials and inhalers off. My poor neighbours must be driven demented with my cough. I actually feel guilty and disappointed as we've been so careful.

Sorry there is a few more, my sons friend mum, she’s a nurse. Sons friends sister, she’s at uni. Plus a high school pupil, friends daughter. Partners nephew had it, he works in amazon.

Schools

@MrsFezziwig supermarkets are known hot spots because of shear number of people who go to them many either not knowing or deliberately knowing they are positive. The virus is very good at what it does with many factors at play.

Work.
A family member of mine works in London half the week. But lives in Bristol and has caught it. Now the whole family have it. All tested positive a few days ago.

Most people I know who have had it work in or attend a hospital or school, or have a family member who does. It is perfectly possible to follow the rules exactly and still catch it. The majority of the spread isn't due to rule breakers.

The only person I know who has had it is my husband. If anybody else I know has, they haven't mentioned it. It makes the numbers published rather surreal.

I’ve been wondering the same.

Could be anywhere. Schools, supermarkets, pharmacy, doctors surgeries, hospitals, work.

Those ignoring rules and socialising/pretending the pandemic isn't a thing as it hasn't affected them yet. Mixing over the holidays.

In my local Tier 4 garden centre which has been rammed with people all week during "the sales" despite the fact that they sell absolutely nothing I would consider "essential"

My mum's friend went with her mother, her daughter and the grandchildren. She said it was very hot and crowded and they had to queue for ages to pay, but she was pleased with the light up singing reindeer she got at a bargain price.

Maybe in certain areas but not where I live in London. The only way I can get to work is a heavily crowded bus route which is rammed with workers & unmasked secondary students, standing room only, capacity limits ignored. The promised ‘schools services’ & ‘non school services’ that were introduced in September quietly disappeared over time. It didn’t matter anyway as they let the school students on the non-school buses and breached capacity limits regardless. I spend 2-2.5 hrs on this bus every day in total along with working in a state nursery with no PPE.

That’s one way people are catching it.

Me & a number of colleagues all work in a school & have tested positive. Now waiting to see who I have infected in my family 🙁 Think it’s going to snowball in the next week.

Schools have been shut for over 10 days now in London- any infections from now are not from a school.

Either supermarkets /home deliveries really aren't very safe or lots of people have been flouting the rules.

A 2 week school break over the holidays with everything else closed should have been enough to stop transmission from schools. Unless numbers start plummeting tomorrow in London, I think its safe to say lots of people have met up with family / friends / dcs school friends when banned. (Closing schools won't fix that if the problem is the population have stopped following the rules.)

@MargosKaftan

Schools have been shut for over 10 days now in London- any infections from now are not from a school.

Either supermarkets /home deliveries really aren't very safe or lots of people have been flouting the rules.

A 2 week school break over the holidays with everything else closed should have been enough to stop transmission from schools. Unless numbers start plummeting tomorrow in London, I think its safe to say lots of people have met up with family / friends / dcs school friends when banned. (Closing schools won't fix that if the problem is the population have stopped following the rules.)

Thats not essentially true actually. They may have come from school then passed on and passed on especially over christmas.

@MargosKaftan

Schools have been shut for over 10 days now in London- any infections from now are not from a school.

Either supermarkets /home deliveries really aren't very safe or lots of people have been flouting the rules.

A 2 week school break over the holidays with everything else closed should have been enough to stop transmission from schools. Unless numbers start plummeting tomorrow in London, I think its safe to say lots of people have met up with family / friends / dcs school friends when banned. (Closing schools won't fix that if the problem is the population have stopped following the rules.)

They probably are

Asymptomatic child gets it on the 18th. So symptoms show 23rd, could pass it on from 21st approx. No test as no symptoms

Adult gets it from child on 23rd/24th/25th will now have symptoms after 5 days and be getting the tests back.

We tested positive last week after having symptoms the week before. Caught from DSS who caught it from (secondary) school.

Incubation delay or passed on from a family member who didn't have symptoms or a test.

Tier 4 people still going to work etc

Two keyworkers in our house so mixing with other people throughout pandemic.

Most households we know have had at least one adult working outside home this whole time.

In our world schools open or not won't change the chances of us getting covid.

@fluffiphlox

I’ve been wondering the same.

? Really

I expect it's spreading in families, schools and close contact workplaces where people are together indoors for long periods. Maybe public transport. Not 7 people in a park for a couple of hours, but of course you only see those. In shops I'm sure the staff are at much more risk than customers as their exposure is greater.

@Todayisgood2

Schools

Somebody shoot me now!

Schools are a big problem but it isn't just schools. Some of us have to work in risky environments or heaven forbid buy food.

My friend is a primary teacher. She got it, I assume from school as she has been watertight with the rules. We met in a park two days before her symptoms started. Stayed outside the whole time and maintained distance, although we both have two children who got closer. Now both me and my husband tested positive, assume our 2 girls have it as well. Its a virus, it spreads, all the finger pointing and blaming is ridiculous

During this second wave all the cases around us originated from schools (a few elderly people we know caught it in hospital).