As the majority of DC, teachers and parents of school age DC won't need hospitalisation

[Lucyandbet]

Why are so many people on MN so gleeful at the prospect of them shutting again? Aren't we focusing on the wrong age group to impose weeks/months more isolation and crappiness on? Why does everyone seem so happy at the prospect of shut schools?

@mrshoho

Is it really really bad to now and again wish a bad dose of long covid on some people who refuse to accept that there are people suffering with it?

If it makes you feel better to wish harm on people, then go for it. Your wishing is unlikely to make it true.

I wouldn't be as presumptuous to assume there is no such thing as Long covid as I am not a doctor. I know of one person in my very wide social circle who is still ill months later. I know lots who have had covid, and recovered with no issues.

It's posters who insist 50% of people they know in one profession who had Covid have developed long covid that make me

Oh, and also, for the purposes of "underlying health conditions", things like eczema and depression are counted as pre-existing conditions.

Underlying health conditions does not mean you are at death's door and/or have no quality of life.

know of one person in my very wide social circle

Played for and got.

Three fit and healthy parents have died at my children's school from Covid. 7 children have lost a parent.

@noblegiraffe

know of one person in my very wide social circle

Played for and got.

I don't understand what that means.

I'm not pleased about ds' school maybe closing. And I'm 57 so possibly at greater risk.

But I don't work in a school, I'm not compelled to spend every day in a room with 30 potentially infectious children.

I sympathise with teachers.

It should not be schools open or schools closed.it should be schools safe. To get schools safe would mean spending money. Our government won’t give schools money. They don’t give a shit about school staff or the children, they have had since March to sourt this out.
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Our schools class are the biggest in Europe

What is the point of this thread?

It really is amazing how posters on Mnet seem to know so many healthy relatively young people struck down with long covid. It must be very specific to certain regions.

Or perhaps, being a teacher I know a lot of other school staff who have been infected, seeing as we are working in an environment where people are more likely to be infected than those working from home or in Covid-safe environments so know more people that have had Covid? I expect a lot of NHS workers also know people affected by long Covid.

I don't understand what that means.

It means, MrsMiaWallis that I had a bet with myself that you couldn't possibly let pass the insinuation that you had no friends, and were ignorant about covid.

Suddenly you've rustled up a long covid patient in your wide social circle. Hilarious.

This is where ‘only on mumsnet’ is perfectly placed.

I know teachers and parents and not one of them wants schools to shut. Actually tell a lie. One secondary school teacher I know wants her school to shut, interestingly she doesn’t want the primary school her children attend to shut. Make of that what you will.

Or perhaps, being a teacher I know a lot of other school staff who have been infected, seeing as we are working in an environment where people are more likely to be infected than those working from home or in Covid-safe environments so know more people that have had Covid? I expect a lot of NHS workers also know people affected by long Covid.

Now that’s a logical answer , shame so many posters on here will just choose to ignore this.

www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/theprevalenceoflongcovidsymptomsandcovid19complications

ONS statistics. Quote:

^Around 1 in 5 respondents testing positive for COVID-19 exhibit symptoms for a period of 5 weeks or longer

Around 1 in 10 respondents testing positive for COVID-19 exhibit symptoms for a period of 12 weeks or longer

We estimate that during the week commencing 22 November 2020, around 186,000 people in private households in England were living with symptoms that had persisted for between 5 and 12 weeks, with a 95% confidence interval of 153,000 to 221,000^

That's quite a high number. I'm one of these suffering long Covid, and it's very unpleasant.

I think it's naive and ignorant to suggest that if you don't need hospitalisation and are unlikely to die then you should just crack on in your unsafe job. 10% of teachers catching Covid are likely to be ill for over three months based on this estimate (which matches the WHO).

That's appalling and I can see why many of them are anxious about schools still being open and with little mitigation for the risks.

Data is available on the ONS site for deaths 20-64 by occupation. 300 is a little exaggerated. For secondary schools the figures are 21 male teachers and 15 female teachers. Most will have had underlying comorbidities, some may have been unaware of an underlying condition.
The figures are even less for primary schools, but higher for TAs interestingly.

‘Fit and healthy’ is an observation not a medically known fact.

@SantaAssociationRepresentitve

What is the point of this thread?

Trolling?

The OP hasn't come back to answer people's questions about her working environment.

@Angrymum22

Data is available on the ONS site for deaths 20-64 by occupation. 300 is a little exaggerated. For secondary schools the figures are 21 male teachers and 15 female teachers. Most will have had underlying comorbidities, some may have been unaware of an underlying condition. The figures are even less for primary schools, but higher for TAs interestingly.

Is this the data that only goes up to May when schools were mostly closed?

@NovemberR

www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/theprevalenceoflongcovidsymptomsandcovid19complications

ONS statistics. Quote:

^Around 1 in 5 respondents testing positive for COVID-19 exhibit symptoms for a period of 5 weeks or longer

Around 1 in 10 respondents testing positive for COVID-19 exhibit symptoms for a period of 12 weeks or longer

We estimate that during the week commencing 22 November 2020, around 186,000 people in private households in England were living with symptoms that had persisted for between 5 and 12 weeks, with a 95% confidence interval of 153,000 to 221,000^

That's quite a high number. I'm one of these suffering long Covid, and it's very unpleasant.

I think it's naive and ignorant to suggest that if you don't need hospitalisation and are unlikely to die then you should just crack on in your unsafe job. 10% of teachers catching Covid are likely to be ill for over three months based on this estimate (which matches the WHO).

That's appalling and I can see why many of them are anxious about schools still being open and with little mitigation for the risks.

If you are ill from long Covid how are you suppose to "crack on with your job"?

You can't.

The posters writing such shit clearly never have had or believed people close to them who have/suffered from conditions that cause long term problems.

Lucyandbet
You are so far off the mark, it is unbelievable. Teachers are not wearing masks in the classrooms - only in corridors. Children above y7 wear them in corridors only. The idea that teachers stand behind a line at the front is utter nonsense. What you are actually saying is that you are protected by a mask, gloves and an apron. I expect you also know the covid status of the patients you treat as they have been tested. Anyone entering a hospital wears a mask. Visitors are very restricted. It is typical that whilst you expect this level of care for yourself, you do not expect it for teachers and other school staff. I am also betting that you are not expected to clean the desks and chairs in your classroom constantly and pick up discarded face masks from the floor?

This 'No one is saying that they want schools closed, only that they should be made safer' reminds of people claiming that 'schools never closed' during the first lockdown. Our school has had one (mild) Covid case since September; there is no one size fits all approach to this situation without massively disadvantaging millions of children and their families.

@Angrymum22

Data is available on the ONS site for deaths 20-64 by occupation. 300 is a little exaggerated. For secondary schools the figures are 21 male teachers and 15 female teachers. Most will have had underlying comorbidities, some may have been unaware of an underlying condition. The figures are even less for primary schools, but higher for TAs interestingly.

Teachering assistants working one to one in secondary schools are far more at risk than anyone else. So not surprising at all. Our secondary school has all the teachering assistants in masks, visors and aprons. Been like that since September because they get way closer to the kids and for longer.

I want schools open and safe. I'm in a Tier 4 area and my son (yr5) had no periods of isolation and my daughter (yr7) had just one period after being identified as a close contact from September to end of term. Both schools have rigorous covid secure policies and I trust them to keep my DC safe. I'm more than happy for both of them to wear masks at all times, we see noone except my DP (lives alone so he is in our bubble) and their dad which is allowed and I have everything we need delivered. We didn't mix at all at Christmas. As a family, we physically could not be 'doing our bit' any more strictly.

What I don't trust is that an online curriculum is adequate for any length of time. Worksheets that don't get marked, no live lessons and me having to teach subjects that I know little about is not good enough. I've had to change my job role to something where in can wfh (just), invest in another laptop and upgrade my wifi to make sure my DC can learn. I'm fully prepared for them to be off for however long. I'm one of the lucky ones that can do that. What about the parents that cannot do any of this?

Schools need to do their part by ensuring there is support for vunerable children, enough laptops for those that need them and adequate online learning so children do not fall behind. Thats down to the government and funding. Parents should not be berated for wanting their children in school or be accused of trying to kill CEV teachers and other people. Children need education and socialisation.

@Angrymum22 your data is not useful as it only covers the period of time between March and May last year when schools were closed to all but key worker children. The relevant recent data has been suppressed despite many FOI requests. Can you think why?

@Lucyandbet

Why are so many people on MN so gleeful at the prospect of them shutting again? Aren't we focusing on the wrong age group to impose weeks/months more isolation and crappiness on? Why does everyone seem so happy at the prospect of shut schools?

Because many children and teachers come from homes which DO have vulnerable people living with them.