As the majority of DC, teachers and parents of school age DC won't need hospitalisation

[Lucyandbet]

Why are so many people on MN so gleeful at the prospect of them shutting again? Aren't we focusing on the wrong age group to impose weeks/months more isolation and crappiness on? Why does everyone seem so happy at the prospect of shut schools?

[quote Nousernamesleftatall]@Mumof3andlovingit

There is no evidence of asymptomatic spread. Asymptomatic means healthy ie not sick.

Research:
American Medical Journal
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102

Nature
idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=grover&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fs41467-020-19802-w

Respiratory Magazine
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0954611120301669

Also Fauci, Beda M. Stadler, the WHO, and studies from May and Nov 20, all say so.[/quote]
Your links do not say that asymptomatic transmission does not happen.
In particular the American Journal meta-analysis one did but acknowledges that they are less infectious than symptomatic. Which we knew already.

You are also ignoring pre-symptomatic spread. Which is one of the main transmission routes.

Because on mumsnet every teacher knows loads who are in hospital/dead/reinfected, at a young age with no underlying conditions, despite huge data showing that this is actually very very very rare. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@DBML

Abraxan that sounds painful

And yet I haven’t seen any threads demanding physiotherapists get back to work nearly a year on?

My DP has been seeing his NHS physio every 2 weeks

Asymptomatic means healthy ie not sick.

Asymptotic does not mean healthy.

Asymptomatic means you are not showing symptoms of an infection, condition or disease which you currently have or have very recently had and are recovering from.

In many infectious diseases asymptomatic carriers may show no classic signs or symptoms of a disease but are capable of transmitting the disease and infecting others.

It is currently still too early to say what percentage of carriers of covid have been asymptomatic and to what extent they have played in the transmission of covid during this pandemic. It is also important to consider if someone is truly asymptomatic or in the pre symptom stage.

Certainly with other coronaviruses, including the common cold, asymptomatic carriers do play a part in transmitting the viruses to other people.

@WouldBeGood

We know that 377 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died of COVID since March.

That is hundreds of DC now left without a parent and hundreds of partners without their spouse.

Many of these will likely be teachers or school staff or parents infected by DC in school.

We need a total national lockdown now until April before many more lives are lost through the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives

@WouldBeGood

Because on mumsnet every teacher knows loads who are in hospital/dead/reinfected, at a young age with no underlying conditions, despite huge data showing that this is actually very very very rare. 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's a certain type of person who exaggerates this point in this way.

Who is happy? Show me one happy post, let alone gleeful.

@LitPeach that’s just pure guesswork, you have no idea who they are. It’s a tiny percentage of the population and on a par with flu deaths in a similar population

As an inpatient respiratory physiotherapist I have been working throughout on ITU, HDU and respiratory wards wearing a mask, gloves and plastic apron. My DCs teachers wear masks and visors if they wish, and are not allowed to pass a line in the class so cannot be within 2 m of a student.
I hope this attitude is mainly on MN. My teacher friend (primary) is extremely worried about further school closures as a large number of her pupils are significantly behind where they need to be and this is a school in an affluent area with very few vulnerable DC.

Many of these will likely be teachers or school staff or parents infected by DC in school

Data?

Also lockdowns don’t work. The virus takes its course worldwide regardless of measures taken.

And I think it is a mumsnet attitude. The teachers I know are happy to be back and not frantically scaremongering

@WouldBeGood

Because on mumsnet every teacher knows loads who are in hospital/dead/reinfected, at a young age with no underlying conditions, despite huge data showing that this is actually very very very rare. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't know for anyone else but I do know that I WAS in hospital due to covid. To be fair I do have a pre existing condition, albeit not something I would reasonably be expected to die from, let alone early death.

I don't know of anyone personally who has died of covid, though do know of people who have died with covid, though covid hasn't been on their death certificate.

Dh is a solicitor and part of his specialism is probate. therefore he has seen a number of cases of covid related deaths, both direct and indirectly. Most of these have been in older people with serious underlying medical conditions. Unfortunately he has dealt with a very small number who have died prematurely because of covid. These haven't been teaching staff I don't think.

I think part of the issue is with the whole 'underlying causes' reporting. There are many underlying causes which would not normally lead to a premature death, but these are being lumped in with others.

@LitPeach I can't work out if you're actually being serious.

Why pn earth would you say that many of the 300 people under 60 who have died of covid are teachers? That's just not true.

[quote LitPeach]@WouldBeGood

We know that 377 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died of COVID since March.

That is hundreds of DC now left without a parent and hundreds of partners without their spouse.

Many of these will likely be teachers or school staff or parents infected by DC in school.

We need a total national lockdown now until April before many more lives are lost through the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives [/quote]
Often people with "no underlying conditions" are over weight/obese. I wonder what the numbers are if you take those people out of it too

Ah the magic line in the classroom. A bit of tape on the floor, that students usually have to cross to get into or out of their seats. And other rooms where there simply isn't a 2m spacing possible.
What do you think OP of the fact that many of your fellow professionals in physio are having a much safer experience than you? Do you think there working practices are right, or so you favour a race to the bottom approach?

My youngest is CEV. Whilst her achool was fine keeping her off

The other schools wouldn’t allow me to keep my others off

So I de registered them and it’s been the best thing I’ve ever done. Wish I’d done it sooner!

There’s been a huge influx of hone schooling. It’s brilliant

@WouldBeGood

And I think it is a mumsnet attitude. The teachers I know are happy to be back and not frantically scaremongering

As said before I want schools open and my job is much much easier to do when schools are fully open to all. Remote teaching and learning is hard work, including for staff, especially when most of the teaching staff are also expected to be in school full time with full bubbles as well, as our school did from March onwards.

But schools do need to be more covid secure than they are. By not acknowledging this and not even trying to make adjustments to help we are actually making things worse not better,

[quote LitPeach]@WouldBeGood

We know that 377 people under 60 with no underlying conditions have died of COVID since March.

That is hundreds of DC now left without a parent and hundreds of partners without their spouse.

Many of these will likely be teachers or school staff or parents infected by DC in school.

We need a total national lockdown now until April before many more lives are lost through the far-right prioritisation of the economy over lives [/quote]
To be fair that number is mostly going to be from first wave. As schools were shut not many related to schools.

Bus drivers and NHS staff, a few supermarket cashiers maybe.

The figures for school staff are more likely to be happening right now. You know when schools have been open. Hopefully the new review of priority for vaccinations will help keep that down. If they make the smart decision to add school staff as priority. We w6have to wait and see.

I caught covid via school via DC. All 4 in our house did - 2 adults 2 DC. No one needed hospital treatment or even urgent medical advice. However me and DH are still 8 weeks later unable to work due to long covid. In fortunate position re sick pay but many others wouldn’t be. It’s not only hospitalisation and death that matters.
My DC could have lost their home, we could have lost jobs, we have not taken them out anywhere (even local park) or done anything out of the home since October half term due to fatigue. They have suffered and could have suffered much more.

I'm not happy but my two year 10s have faced so much disruption since Sept at their respective secondaries that this might be the lesser of two evils.

DS2 has had 40 days, six isolations away from school and a dose of Covid, as 10%.of his form have it. Come back to me if your child has spent 10 weeks in self isolation in GCSE years.
Ten weeks of not being able to leave his home. No more than a run of 10 days at school before being sent home and one time, catching it (not such the breeze it's painted out) and pushing the whole house into isolation when our boiler broke.
Forcing his year 10 brother into a third self isolation from school.
Oh, and just when we thought we could get hot water and heating in December, the child with six isolations (and two random day false alarms) went back to school for a total of three days before another case cropped up, on the eve of finally getting our boiler fixed. We had to Wfh for another week or so in the cold, including my son.

This has dominated our lives now, so if closure is needed I'm in. At least my son won't be a prisoner in his own home for a while.

And the point of this thread is what?

@Abraxan what I mean is the crazed attitude that schools=Covid=instant death/hospitalisation of healthy teachers in low risk categories.

The stats show that even if you have underlying conditions and even if you’re over 80 then your chance of dying is very small.

Yes, a small percentage might get post viral effects, as with any virus, but it’s not the death sentence it’s painted as on here.

Another parent and teacher who doesn’t want schools shut but does want schools safe. And they definitely aren’t that right now. They need to be closed and proper safety measures put in place before they reopen.