Not a single person following covid rules

[ruby4ever]

I kid you not, I know no one in real life that is actually adhering to COVID rules. Everyone on my social media/friends have openly celebrated Xmas yesterday despite majority of them living in tier 4 and mixing up to 8 household in one house. Everyone I know and even those I follow on social media, all got with family and celebrated like any other year. Even today everyone is mixing multiple households. I haven't seen a lot of family members as am scared catching anything and passing it on to my family. I feel like the only people following rules are those on mn!
It's got me annoyed that if everyone else is acting normal and are perfectly fine, not spreading anything then why the hell am I following the rules??? These same people didn't follow the lockdown rules either in March, they still mixed multiple households. There are elderly and vulnerable amongst them and (thankfully) no one has actually caught corona. I myself forget about the virus as I no longer watch the news, except when I go out and see everyone in masks. It's really got me thinking today

Ofgs, it's not lockdown that prevents access to healthcare, it's the virus. My hospital is doing less than 50% of normal elective activity because we've got so many critically ill covid patients. All under 60. None with any life-limiting co-morbidities. We'd normally have up to 4 patients on our itu with flu/pneumonia at this time of year. We have 16 at the moment and the number is increasing daily.

How would allowing covid to spread more widely increase the number of operations we could do?

@VenusTiger

I hear you

But it’s like banging your head against a wall because of the levels of fear that people now have.

I’m cheered by the fact that healthy people are not following the idiotic rules and long may it continue

Everyone I know has followed the rules. Aside from everything else, we don't want to lose any more of our colleagues.

@Pinkchocolate, @MumOfPsuedoAdult

I don’t understand why you can’t visit your support bubbles just because in tier 4? One of the very clear exceptions for leaving home is to visit someone in your support bubble and overnight stays with them are also allowed. Unless it’s because they are no longer your support bubble because you or they aren’t a single adult household any more? Obviously you can choose to not see them but still allowed if still your support bubble.

My mum is in our bubble so although we had to cancel the rest of our plans (visit from another household), she has been here for the last few days and plans to come again in a few weeks.

I did know a few wh were still stricly following. Until the whole xmas shitshow. Not even the Uturn especially, but the fact that it was all left til last minute, when no way was it just decided them. Seemed great timing for Bris, to shove that through when parliament is off. The month leading up to it saying xmas will be fine, even going to the extremes of accusing Starmer of trying to steal xmas, then that. He lost much of the faith of the people with that show.

Not saying people are right for rulebreaking though. But I do understand it.

@Gwenhwyfar with respect, what on earth are you on about????

I posted, you then responded to it by quoting my post (as follows:) and I responded - you brought up lockdown first.

"377 ppl under 60 with no underlying health conditions have sadly passed away from Covid over the whole of the "pandemic" - you see? This is inexplicably overhyped."

But you realise that lockdowns are to protect the NHS and the people who may need an ICU bed and not, in general, to protect the under 60s, don't you? Nobody's saying that under 60s are likely to die from Covid.

Well, I have followed them as have my grown up DC and other family. We originally were meeting up (3 households on Christmas Day) but my DS both live in Surrey so went into Tier 4, I was in a neighbouring town in West Sussex and Tier 2, On Christmas Day, I spent it with my DD and her BF who live with me and we played games over a family facetime later, which was nice and watched each other open presents online.

Today I went into Tier 4, so now also staying home. My neighbours seemed to be having a party, not sure if it was just the one household though, lots of music and loud singing etc and then I heard the door being slammed and cars driving off at Midnight just as we move to Tier 4 so it probably was 3 households making the most of Tier 2 and then leaving a bit like cinderella on the stroke of midnight.

I dont know of anyone local or on SM that has broken the rules, but I expect there are a few.

Hope everyone has had a nice christmas as much as is possible with the restrictions and keeps safe over the coming months until its safer for us all to move around a bit more.

My DS (27) has been offered the vaccine and I know his DF (my Ex) who is 57 has already had the vaccine so things are moving forward.

From OP
“ It's got me annoyed that if everyone else is acting normal and are perfectly fine, not spreading anything then why the hell am I following the rules??”

It’s not fine. The rate of infection is rising rapidly.

The people I know are following the rules.
So the increase is due to other people.......

@hamstersarse

I know a few people still following the rules, not many though

It’s no surprise really seeing as they don’t make any difference to anything

We have been in tier 3 for ages. Some parts of London have 5 times as many cases per 100k as we do. And you say the rules and guidelines don't work?

Most people I know have reduced their Christmas mixing massively. In the run up too.

They are pretty much within rules too I think though I'm unsure as to rules now so can't swear to it.

I know people doing both.

[quote VenusTiger]@Gwenhwyfar with respect, what on earth are you on about????

I posted, you then responded to it by quoting my post (as follows:) and I responded - you brought up lockdown first.

"377 ppl under 60 with no underlying health conditions have sadly passed away from Covid over the whole of the "pandemic" - you see? This is inexplicably overhyped."

But you realise that lockdowns are to protect the NHS and the people who may need an ICU bed and not, in general, to protect the under 60s, don't you? Nobody's saying that under 60s are likely to die from Covid.[/quote]
Then you responded to me, without quoting me, so obviously just a post aimed at me complaining about people dying from the effects of lockdown as if that was somehow my fault!

Same here, a stream of multi household mixing yesterday and today, absolute idiots

"377 ppl under 60 with no underlying health conditions have sadly passed away from Covid over the whole of the "pandemic"

Always find this stat 'interesting', because multiple MN posters have claimed they personally know multiple (highest I have seen now is 6..) young fit people who have died from covid.

If they made rules that people could see made sense then people might follow them

I'm so sick of reading this shit. Its perfectly simple. Wear masks, hand hygiene and mix a little as damn possible

The majority of people understand we have to have the shops and schools open because we need the money goung into a battered economy. Its a balance we have no choice but to live with. That doesnt make the Range being full as an excuse to meet up with Aunty fucking Linda to have a few bottles of prosecco because B&M was packed today so you know, fuck it.

I’d say it’s the minority that aren’t. My arse of a neighbour isn’t...he was out yesterday presumably with family (allowed, bubble) but then had a friend in his house today. No doubt he’ll have his older relative round soon as well 🙄. Everyone else around her is sticking to the rules though.

I think I’m just coming down with it, sneezed a zillion times yesterday, tired, achy and raging sore throat, have had afternoon sleep for the past two days. I’m so glad I haven’t spread it around, especially to older relatives. People who have actually taken that risk must be deluded.

I've been following the rules and so have most people I know.

Tier 4 here.

Rules followed. Just our household for Christmas Day.

Dad, 78, stayed at his home 3 hours away. We’ve only seen him twice this year, for a couple of hours each time.

@Ginfordinner

It is really on you to prove that lockdowns and tiers work. It’s been the fundamental principle of medicine since Hippocrates.

You need unequivocal evidence that these restrictions reduce the infection rate and they do no harm

You won’t be able to do that.

Furthermore, you can look to countries who have had less severe restrictions and the course of the virus is the same.

@Gwenhwyfar this is a forum, I posted my second post to the whole group - seriously what are you on about?

'your fault' - what????? is that what you do in every discussion about anything? someone gives their opinion and you say that? I'm off - this is getting weird.

@VulvaPerson the thing is, the data is there for everyone to see - ONS and NHS websites - it's most bizarre yes.

I think a lot of people saying they don’t know anyone breaking the rules are a bit delusional. If people do bend the rules, most don’t shout it out on social media as they don’t want to be judged. I’ve bent the rules occasionally, but most people probably don’t know I have. i know people who are adamant they haven’t broke rules, but will then add they bent them slightly. I would say bending them is still breaking them tbh.

We followed the rules. I think lots of people are.

Everyone I know is following the guidance, and more to the point following their own common sense which happens to match the guidance when it comes to mixing this Christmas and putting family and others at risk.

I would be wondering what was wrong with the people I knew, and maybe by implication with me, if I were in your position.

You say none of them have caught covid, I expect some of them have and have unwittingly passed it on to others contributing to a rise in infections, deaths and chance for mutation. They sound selfish and stupid. The rates in tier 4 right now are scary, one in 40 I think is predicted currently infected in London and the predictions are usually conservative since so many are untested. Most of these are with the more easily transmissible recent strain. I’m struggling to find a polite way to put it....but these people you know are morons.

@AliMonkey we are still each other’s support bubble but neither my parents nor I are single even though they can’t give each other the care they need. I haven’t stuck to it because it’s ridiculous. I haven’t hugged them since the start of last year but I take them to their medical appointments so I also go to their house.