Not a single person following covid rules

[ruby4ever]

I kid you not, I know no one in real life that is actually adhering to COVID rules. Everyone on my social media/friends have openly celebrated Xmas yesterday despite majority of them living in tier 4 and mixing up to 8 household in one house. Everyone I know and even those I follow on social media, all got with family and celebrated like any other year. Even today everyone is mixing multiple households. I haven't seen a lot of family members as am scared catching anything and passing it on to my family. I feel like the only people following rules are those on mn!
It's got me annoyed that if everyone else is acting normal and are perfectly fine, not spreading anything then why the hell am I following the rules??? These same people didn't follow the lockdown rules either in March, they still mixed multiple households. There are elderly and vulnerable amongst them and (thankfully) no one has actually caught corona. I myself forget about the virus as I no longer watch the news, except when I go out and see everyone in masks. It's really got me thinking today

Most people I know are sticking to the rules, as am I.

My area must be such an outlier. All day today, the street has been packed with cars and people popping in and out of various houses. Yesterday there was noone around. There was even a traffic jam earlier today which DH got stuck in, at the main roundabout here!

Given there seemed to be noone yesterday, I think these people are possibly 'bending' rather than utright flouting the rules, though changing your xmas day to boxing day IS a rulebreak still. But its a little more understandable if you do it boxing day instead of xmas, not aswell as.

I know my sister went to see some family today. She had swapped her boxing day shift for xmas, as she was planning on meeting people boxing day instead so figured it was better to let someone who wanted xmas off, swap with her. Then the rules changed and (unsurprisngly) she couldn't get swapped again. So she just stuck to original plans. She is a nurse too, and last time around was actively caring for covid patients (this time shes not, yet anyway, maybe if infections rise dramatically) but she still chose to see family today. TBF she has not seen them for months now and specifically swapped the one xmas she has had off in years, to fit into her plans, as when she did so it was within the rules to do boxing day.

I’ve followed rules. Tier 4. All Xmas plans cancelled. Haven’t seen any family.
I don’t know anyone who isn’t following the guidelines.

Really? I don’t know anyone not following the rules. I couldn’t even get my mum to be in a support bubble with me as I’m a single parent and she’s in her early 50s. So had a shitty Christmas on our own. Think I need to meet your friends.

Tier 4 here btw.

I don't know anyone not following the rules. We are in tier 2 and as far as I am aware the whole town has pulled together to keep safe. I have family, friends and work in tier 3 who are all following the guidelines.

@VenusTiger I don’t understand your point, are you saying it’s ok a 21 year old girl died because she had an underlying heart condition? Was that heart condition about to kill her or did it make her vulnerable? Do you realise lots of people could have underlying conditions they don’t know they have. Is a life worth less because you have health problems?

@ruby4ever

I kid you not, I know no one in real life that is actually adhering to COVID rules. Everyone on my social media/friends have openly celebrated Xmas yesterday despite majority of them living in tier 4 and mixing up to 8 household in one house. Everyone I know and even those I follow on social media, all got with family and celebrated like any other year. Even today everyone is mixing multiple households. I haven't seen a lot of family members as am scared catching anything and passing it on to my family. I feel like the only people following rules are those on mn! It's got me annoyed that if everyone else is acting normal and are perfectly fine, not spreading anything then why the hell am I following the rules??? These same people didn't follow the lockdown rules either in March, they still mixed multiple households. There are elderly and vulnerable amongst them and (thankfully) no one has actually caught corona. I myself forget about the virus as I no longer watch the news, except when I go out and see everyone in masks. It's really got me thinking today

Don't judge everyone on their low standards.

And they may not have caught it but there's a good chance they've spread it.

But I can't believe people still need that spelt out.

So try thinking a bit harder.

I think everyone I know has been following the rules, or just not stupid enough to put it on social media if they have broken the rules

We followed the rules, so did my in-laws and so did my side of the family. We did zoom calls. I've also seen that many other friends did zoom calls too because they've posted photos on facebook. I'm not judging anyone each person had to do what feels right for them and their circumstances.

@hamstersarse

I can’t believe you say that.
Of course the rules make a difference.
It’s a virus that spreads from close human proximity as airborne in droplets.

Jeez look at the deaths.
Follow the rules and stop spreading this is doesn’t matter BS.

Cumulatively rule breaking kills people.

I have to agree with the OP, loads on my Facebook not following rules and to be honest I’ve bent them too over the last couple of months.

There'll be a huge spike in early January, just see.

We live abroad and haven't seen anyone for Christmas. No-one I know has and our neighbours haven't had guests.

Brother still in UK saw my parents, then saw SIL's family today (both indoors) so definitely not complying.

Not sure what to say really. Seems sad not to see family at Christmas but also non sensical as rates will just rise.

Most people we know just did Christmas with their family and contacted extended family via Zoom/phone. A few had their lone support bubble person too.

If anyone had more, I suspect they would keep quiet about it given that most people seem to be in agreement it would be daft to gather en-mass given how the current situation is.

We are being more cautious than what is required by the rules

t's got me annoyed that if everyone else is acting normal and are perfectly fine, not spreading anything then why the hell am I following the rules

Your post is not making a lot of sense, to be honest

Oh, and I see maybe 80-90% of people appear to be following the rules

It doesn't matter what age the people with COVID taking up hospital and/or ICU beds are does it? Even if it’s only the over 60s (which btw isn’t old and is still working age) the very fact they have a bed that prevents someone of any age having one if needed is an issue surely? My local hospitals (tier 4) have cancelled all non emergency treatment, have masses of staff off ill or isolating, and have ambulances queuing outside whilst they pick who to treat. Ambulances that are then not available to anyone of any age should they need one due to an accident, sudden illness or whatever age you are. People are actually dying whilst waiting not just from COVID but from other conditions too. The under 60s may not be at great risk of this virus but we are all at risk of suffering the consequences of it whatever age we are

We stuck to the rules and spent Xmas just the two of us. My siblings each did the same.

I saw my wider family at a funeral just before Xmas where we chatted outside, well distanced for an hour. Otherwise phone & Zoom only. It's grim but I keep telling myself it's only for another few months.

My friends mostly seem to be doing the same.

I'm finding the same, lots of people I know aren't following them, mostly my family and I have to turn a blind eye. It's hard as I'm worried about them but they're adults. Doesn't mean I'm not pissed off though.

Mum - randomly lets Dsis 2 in for tea, not since tier 4
Dsis 1 - following but sees the reality as works in a shop and is terrified
Dsis2 - had friends round Christmas Day and broke lockdown rules first time
Nan - worst offender - breaks all rules all the time
Uncle - helps nan break rules by going round for tea
Cousin - as above
Friends - mostly following but a couple spectacularly breaking rules and I'm trying so so hard not to fall out

Also, the main one I'm finding is people not realising that isolation means isolation. So many people getting tests, negative results and ending isolation early. I think this is the main spreader. 5 families I know have done this

We only saw our family via FaceTime.

Tier 4 here and everyone I know cancelled Christmas plans and had a household-only Christmas. I would be embarrassed in my social circle to say I had had anyone round.

[quote Chickenqueen]@VenusTiger I don’t understand your point, are you saying it’s ok a 21 year old girl died because she had an underlying heart condition? Was that heart condition about to kill her or did it make her vulnerable? Do you realise lots of people could have underlying conditions they don’t know they have. Is a life worth less because you have health problems?[/quote]
VenusTiger is saying all vulnerable and elderly should sit isolated away in their homes (or in a home) while 'healthy' people get on with living. Because, you know, vulnerable people don't need a life, per se.

I know of a few households not following the rules but equally most I know are fully following the rules. We’re following the rules.

The rule breakers I know of have been interesting, though.....
A pair of GPs with teenagers, telling everyone that we just “have to get on with it”.
A lawyer, who says “they can’t actually enforce this”
A pair of aged 50 plus secondary schoolteacher neighbours, who have had a constant stream of visitors since March.

The one thing I’ve learned through my career working in healthcare and healthcare related fields
is that people interpret risk differently, when it comes to health. Lots of people maintain the “it won’t happen to me” approach. If we all heeded the warnings and advice to the letter, there would be way less pressure on the NHS anyway.

What frustrates me is many people fail to understand (or choose to ignore) the concept of “protect the NHS”.
If ITU is packed full of younger people with COVID who will likely survive, due to the current availability of an ITU bed, this also means that there is less availability of ITU for those who have had accidents, or require major surgery or become critically unwell with non-COVID conditions. The rule breakers are contributing to waiting list increases and pressure on the NHS. These pressures could “kill granny”, just as much as COVID.

We are more than following the rules. We didn't see anyone over Xmas. We haven't been in anyone else's house since March same for restaurants, cafes etc. The vaccine is so close, and that's our ticket out of this.