To think people are deluded when they say ‘when this is all over’

[Lannaaa]

Not a conspiracy theorist! At all. But this is never going to be over. It really grates on me when people say this...like there’s a day where suddenly all is ok. This is going to go on for at least another year and will be here in some way or other indefinitely. It makes me sad that people seem to really believe that their freedoms will resume at some point. Maybe many many years down the line but not soon. Not sure where the ‘when this is all over’ even came from?!

My little one had his first birthday in lockdown. I'm hoping by his second, he'll be able to have some friends and family over, and share a cake. It won't be "normal normal", but it'd be something.

@iVampire

I think a lot of whether you see ‘back to normal’ depends on your starting point

I am CEV.

I hope that, once vaccinated, I can live by normal tier regulations, and that would be a huge step towards normality

Yes, what most people on this thread are seeing as increasingly tiresome restriction would be really liberating to me

That's interesting

Of the CEV I know, one was slightly careful and the others just lived according to the law.

The careful one never goes to the supermarket though, so havibg deliveries was not a change to his life.

I think I am CV but not sure really.

[quote TomasinaTiers]@RichardMarxisinnocent just read around on MN, plenty of people happy to subscribe to lockdowns/limits forever (and not just that, also happy to berate and police others, keep others locked-up for the sake of the greater good). Any risk of death is now unacceptable, so even if Covid subsides we’ll have lockdowns every winter for flu etc

There has been a massive cultural shift[/quote]
You are aware that MN is not necessarily representative of the whole of UK society? I don't know anyone irl who is happy to have lockdowns forever, and there also people on MN who don't want lockdown after lockdown. I doubt very much that the people wanting to keep others locked up are the majority. Most people are missing their family and friends and won't be prepared to not see them forever.

Of course we will go back to normal one day.

Even the plague was over.

@Hapixmas
I think it’s because the vaccine will only protect people for a very brief time before they either need vaccinating again or become susceptible. People will become lax and not get it done and numbers will rise again. Assuming the vaccine will still work.

But pandemics historically end within a couple of years. No reason to think this will go on for more than another 12-18 months.

It will be over for my mother in about 5 weeks because she will have had her second vaccine. All of my siblings will be vaccinated by July. The next generation are too young to be a worry. So yes for us it will be over by summer.

Lol of course it will end like all the other pandemics humanity have had to face. We're not the first humans to face a pandemic and we won't be the last. The uncertainty is how it will end. I agree with what a pp said about a social and scientific ending. Will we get used to living with it? Will it mutate into a virus causing only a mild illness everytime? Will there eventually be herd immunity? Will the vaccines keep it at bay? Will we discover an efficient treatment for it or a preventative (vitamin D?)? Who knows. But there will be an ending like there has been with every pandemic throughout time. I did read somewhere pandemics tend to last around 2 years.

We only have to go back three months to see people determined to tell everyone that a vaccine wouldn't be possible this side of 2022 and, even then, it would probably be a bit shit. If you go back two weeks, there are people determined to tell us we wouldn't find a fridge to put the 94% effective vaccine in. I'm sure all those people thought they were just being "realistic".

I'd love to know what makes you think we can't have our freedoms back. We have had them for centuries. Why shouldn't we get them back? Why does that make me deluded?

I think it’s because the vaccine will only protect people for a very brief time before they either need vaccinating again or become susceptible.
That’s a bold statement. Why do you think that?

FMD.

OF COURSE 'this' will end.

COrona virus will be around for a long time, if not pretty much forever, but 'this' pandemic will end.

I am counting on having a MUCH better summer this year, a top up vaccine along with the flu vaccine at the start of winter, but life being generally MUCH better.

If it's not, I'll deal with it, but for now I'm choosing to believe that will be the case.

Your post is ridiculously negative & not helping anyone. What's the point of it?

@5zeds

It will be over for my mother in about 5 weeks because she will have had her second vaccine. All of my siblings will be vaccinated by July. The next generation are too young to be a worry. So yes for us it will be over by summer.

Interesting how we have different definitions

To me, the earliest part of it being over will be when businesses are open and gatherings like festivals are allowed.

The vaccine isn't on my radar.

Witches "Your post is ridiculously negative & not helping anyone. What's the point of it?"

I like these posts and conversations. I detest false hope. I want to plan. This helps me.

Please. Stop with the negativity.
This Oxford vaccine will be rolled out by February or throughout February and then life can resume as normal. I hate all this doom and gloom.

It’ll be over as soon as most of the vulnerable are vaccinated (spring/summer 2021?), because then there will be no reason for those people to abide by restrictions, and nobody else will be inclined to either. There’s no way to really police this, so in terms of restrictions, it’s over when we all decide to stop following the rules, not when the government says so.

At the very start of this the WHO said they expected the pandemic to last 18-24 months and that was without reference to a vaccine.
Even in their worse case scenario it's not going to be for another "years and years/forever"

And scientists (I think Astra Zeneca) have started a new trial today for people who have been exposed to the virus, which is meant to lessen the effect or stop them getting the virus.
The Spanish Flu didnt last forever....otherwise we would never have theatres, concerts, football matches, festivals etc
Science has advanced massively in the last 100 years.

Yes pandemics never end, especially when you have a vaccine.

Stupid thread.

@MiaMarshmallows

Please. Stop with the negativity. This Oxford vaccine will be rolled out by February or throughout February and then life can resume as normal. I hate all this doom and gloom.

So how do you perceive "normal"?

67k people deceased in the UK but 650k vaccinated ......err yes of course it’s going to bloody end OP. Last bit might be a bit bumpy but it will end soon enough now.

Ffs - the 1918 flu pandemic only stopped because the virus mutated to be LESS harmful

Why do people keep quoting this ?!?

There are yet NO signs that this is happening with this virus - at the moment the fucking thing is mutating to be more contagious but not less deadly

Once those at greatest risk of being very ill or dying are vaccinated and the deaths and icu admissions drop then people will resume life.

The economy needs to start functioning again and when big numbers of deaths are no longer a pressure then civil rights need to resume.

or maybe people are deluded to think that there is that much more tolerance for this

Any lockdown in January wont be the same as the one in March - should it be maybe - will it be no

But pandemics end - look at the Russian Flu that was thought to potentially be Coronavirus - why would this one last for many years and this one didnt.

Pandemics generally last around 2 years without medical intervention

@AcornAutumn

Witches "Your post is ridiculously negative & not helping anyone. What's the point of it?"

I like these posts and conversations. I detest false hope. I want to plan. This helps me.

Autumn That's fine, the day I agree with any of your posts is the day I'll know I'm not well. I don't need you to agree with me.

Well we will be able to come out of lockdowns, see family and friends and stop social distancing. From the summer I am guessing large scale events and everything else back to how it was. No reason to think otherwise.

Since the beginning I have thought of “when this is over” as a matter of years. Mentally I have been hoping for relatively normal by the time dd is due to move up a school so fall 2023. My employer has made it clear we aren’t going back to the office for at least another year. I don’t know why people are thinking in terms of weeks or months.