If not enough people take the vaccine?

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If those eligible for the vaccine decline to have it for whatever reason, will it mean restrictions will be in place for longer? Or will it be a case off tough luck you refused the vaccine take your chances?
I know a quite few people who would be eligible for the vaccine soon either due to their age , job or ECV and around 50% say they aren't having it, if that's the case nationally will it be enough to reduce transmission enough to ease restrictions? Or do I know just know an unusually high amount of weird people that don't want the vaccine? 🤔

[quote trulydelicious]@2020quelhorreur

I think the people who don’t want it are loud

Quite the opposite. Anyone here who dares to express the most minute concern is quickly shouted down by the pro-Covid vaccine mob. Posts reported, threads deleted, etc.[/quote]
I agree and I find it makes for uncomfortable reading.

Why can’t people accept that things aren’t always binary? Expressing concerns, wanting to know more about the vaccine does not a conspiracy theorist make.

And I don’t really have any questions or concerns. Just don’t like seeing people who do be shot down this way.

I think it’s good to question. Totally different to spreading misinformation or presenting opinion as fact.

I think some people don't like being called out. So they spin things to their own agenda.

We all have different opinions but when some posters reply constantly to anything positive about the vaccine with a negative. Well it makes people wonder.

Human nature to question things. Whether the vaccine or posters on mumsnet.

If freedom of speech is such an issue here about the vaccine. You really should start a thread questioning mumsnet about it.

My cousin died today of Covid. He was in his 40’s and had moderate symptoms which were improving. Those of you who say you will take the risk are fucking idiots.

Pregnant women are they too not permitted to live.

I don’t know if you know but pregnancy only lasts 9 months.

[quote trulydelicious]@MadameBlobby

However if not enough people have it I reckon they will make it mandatory except for all those who can’t have it for medical reasons

This is unlikely to happen. Covid vaccines are new and more time is needed to ascertain whether they are safe. Also medical reasons appears to be a very broad and fluid term at the moment.

For the Pfizer vaccine for instance, almost every day there's someone expressing concerns regarding allergic reactions.

The Pfizer COVID vaccine has triggered more allergic reactions than would be expected, according to Operation Warp Speed chief scientific adviser Moncef Slaoui

www.newsweek.com/pfizer-covid-vaccine-allergies-more-expected-white-house-moncef-slaoui-1557129

Let's hope that these vaccines are effective and safe for those that want to take them voluntarily.

But I don't think the UK government (and others, for that matter) are going to risk another health crisis and a plethora of compensation claims by making inoculaitons mandatory.[/quote]
But it is safe and the risk of claims would be the same whether mandatory or not.

There are enough people that want it that they can just move on to the next person.

Take up of measles vaccine is still above 90% in the UK I think, despite the anti vaxxer nutters. The empty can makes the most noise and all that.

@BunsyGirl

not the idiotic school mum who started posting about being chipped

Have you RTFT?

No one is talking about 'chips' on this thread or most of the other vaccine threads that I've read on MN

She ended up vaccinating a lot of the other doctor, dentist and pharmacist school mums who jumped at the chance. I will follow their lead

Good, follow all of these people who've 'jumped at the chance', 'can't wait to be jabbed', 'have rolled up their sleeve', etc

Some of us need to assess the evidence ourselves and apply our own critical thinking before making a decision and that doesn't make us 'idiotic'

@QueenStromba - re "The reason we've never had a vaccine for a coronavirus before is that previous attempts at producing vaccines have caused antibody dependent enhancement of disease or immune system hyper stimulation on infection with the coronavirus."

I would like to read about this. Please provide links to studies.

I think most people will happily take the vaccine. I'm keen to have it, but have allergies, so I am a little concerned that the Pfizer vaccine may not be suitable for me. On the subject of allergies, what happens if someone has a severe reaction to the first jab? Do they just forego the 2nd jab? Or do they have it, but have extra monitoring afterwards?

Also, is an allergic reaction a sign that the jab will give immunity, as it shows that the immune system has been stimulated? So perhaps ICU nurses might be prepared to risk a serious reaction, if the jab protects them in the end?

@CoteDAzur

This link was provided by a poster on a previous thread

www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00434-6

Studies with inactivated SARS-CoV and respiratory syncytial virus vaccines have reported vaccine-related enhancement of disease, likely involving a TH2 cell response and lung eosinophilia, which may be worsened in aged hosts

@trulydelicious yes I have RTFT and I can see that I have hit a raw nerve with you. You clearly don’t like the fact that highly qualified medical personnel were eager to have the vaccination.

Very few of the current cohort (over 80s) are refusing

I do have concerns over the PEG in the nanoparticle of the Pfizer vaccine, as it could well be what it triggering the strong allergic reaction in some folk who've had it. Until further data is gathered on this, I will not be taking that particular vaccine (due to having allergies and autoimmunity myself).

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

@MadameBlobby

the risk of claims would be the same whether mandatory or not

It would be political suicide though