If not enough people take the vaccine?

[3littlewords]

If those eligible for the vaccine decline to have it for whatever reason, will it mean restrictions will be in place for longer? Or will it be a case off tough luck you refused the vaccine take your chances?
I know a quite few people who would be eligible for the vaccine soon either due to their age , job or ECV and around 50% say they aren't having it, if that's the case nationally will it be enough to reduce transmission enough to ease restrictions? Or do I know just know an unusually high amount of weird people that don't want the vaccine? 🤔

I venture to suggest, @OpheliasCrayon, that the people you know are not representative of the vast majority.

Just look at the balance on here - there are a few saying they won’t have it and arguing strongly that it’s too risky, but the vast majority can’t wait. Similarly, most posters talking about the people they know IRL say that all or almost all will have it. And in some cases already have had.

@PuzzledObserver

I venture to suggest, *@OpheliasCrayon*, that the people you know are not representative of the vast majority.

Just look at the balance on here - there are a few saying they won’t have it and arguing strongly that it’s too risky, but the vast majority can’t wait. Similarly, most posters talking about the people they know IRL say that all or almost all will have it. And in some cases already have had.

I would say if the people I know aren't a fair representation that's fine, I'll accept that. However you can't say MN is a fair representation of real life! That it definitely is not.

I don’t think take up will hit the c80% estimated to reach herd. They won’t let this circulate freely in under 50’s either given mutation risk. We’re also not even sure vaccines provide sterilising immunity yet to even create herd immunity or duration of immunity. Many unknowns still.

@Oaktree55

I don’t think take up will hit the c80% estimated to reach herd. They won’t let this circulate freely in under 50’s either given mutation risk. We’re also not even sure vaccines provide sterilising immunity yet to even create herd immunity or duration of immunity. Many unknowns still.

Here's the thing though, all of these restrictions and lockdowns are very, very reliant on people cooperating. So once vaccines are available to anybody who want them and once a person reaches the point where they and the people they love feel protected. People simply will not cooperate with constant lockdowns and restrictions.... they just won't. If a vulnerable person refuses a vaccine then that's up to them, nobody should be forced. But they will have to take responsibility for the consequences for themselves and not expect the rest of us to change our lives to accommodate them.

As Sir John Bell said about people who don’t want it - good luck to them

Not including those who can’t - other ways looked in to

But yes for rest- take their chances

@ChristmasinJune they won’t risk mutations and possible vaccine escape by allowing unnecessary circulation of virus to a huge extent. Just too much at stake globally.

One of the easiest ways to convince people would be to hand some slightly exaggerated news story to the media in order to scare more people in to taking it.... like... I don’t know, a new strain perhaps?

I’m a retired doctor, left with permanent lung damage after Covid in March.
All my ex colleagues had their first dose of vaccine ten days ago. They work in the local Covid ITU, and none of them refused.
Probably because they’ve spent months watching patients struggle and die, and none of them are stupid enough to want to join them.

I think the government’s preference will be for voluntary uptake to be high enough so restrictions can be gradually eased. However if not enough people have it I reckon they will make it mandatory except for all those who can’t have it for medical reasons

[quote Oaktree55]@ChristmasinJune they won’t risk mutations and possible vaccine escape by allowing unnecessary circulation of virus to a huge extent. Just too much at stake globally.[/quote]
But my point is that people will simply stop complying and rebel completely if the govt try to keep going with an endless cycle of lockdowns purely to keep people safe who could be kept safe by a vaccine but choose not to. So actually what the govt "won't allow" will either become irrelevant to most people or we will and up with police state type measures to increasing force people not to mix. All to protect people like my friend who "doesn't fancy having the vaccine unless she needs it to go on holiday" 🤷‍♂️

I think, one we have a significant portion of the population vaccinated, they should expand the coronavirus dashboard data so that where they display those who died with and without pre-existing conditions it also includes those who died having refused the vaccine despite being eligible.

I really can't go there. Think I have to take the risk myself of having the vaccine as I'm in what I consider to be fairly high risk jobs. I want some sense of normality and to protect my family.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't have it. A couple have asked me what I think as they know I follow the science and know more about it than them, and they were convinced by the evidence I gave them.

I am certain we'll reach herd immunity. As soon as people face restrictions if they're not vaccinated, they'll have it.

When the furlough ends, and workers "working from home" have to go back to their normal jobs, surrounded by people etc and without the protection of screens, social distancing, etc., I'm sure most will decide the vaccine is a good idea after all. Whilst they're sat at home doing nothing on 80% or working from home away from other people, etc., they may not feel that they're at risk.

@3littlewords

If those eligible for the vaccine decline to have it for whatever reason, will it mean restrictions will be in place for longer? Or will it be a case off tough luck you refused the vaccine take your chances? I know a quite few people who would be eligible for the vaccine soon either due to their age , job or ECV and around 50% say they aren't having it, if that's the case nationally will it be enough to reduce transmission enough to ease restrictions? Or do I know just know an unusually high amount of weird people that don't want the vaccine? 🤔

I don’t know many/any that don’t want it. I’ll have my arm out!

I’m hoping by about May they’ll be a surplus of vaccines (must be quicker to make than inject??) and people will be able to pay as well. We got the boys MenB jabs before it was standard for all kids so hoping the adult one may get quite a private market, maybe even in Boots?? (Or am I over-optimistic?!).

I think they’re winding up their “you’ll be fine, go out and spend spend spend / mild illness for most” routine and moving onto project fear. Obviously the truth is somewhere in the middle - rightly or wrongly this government don’t do transparent honesty.

From the antivaxers in my Instagram the best way to convince them to get it would be to distribute it through a MLM "business"

I'm still BF but as soon as I stop (trying so hard to!) I will have it. Hoping not to still be BF by the time in offered it!

@OpheliasCrayon

Well as that includes a large number of specialist teachers, primary teachers, scientists and doctors...I'm not sure you want to lock us all up

Sounds like we probably do.

White padded cells and everything.

Sure your being very honest with us or need to change your circle of friends and family.

@Wherediditgo

One of the easiest ways to convince people would be to hand some slightly exaggerated news story to the media in order to scare more people in to taking it.... like... I don’t know, a new strain perhaps?

Behave

@MadameBlobby

I think the government’s preference will be for voluntary uptake to be high enough so restrictions can be gradually eased. However if not enough people have it I reckon they will make it mandatory except for all those who can’t have it for medical reasons

Will never happen in this country. Russia or north Korea yes but not here. That doesn't mean things can't be made ackward travel wise and employment situations. However human rights lawsuits would put pay to that.

Will never happen in this country. Russia or north Korea yes but not here.

A year ago we’d have said the same about the other restrictions we’ve had.

There isn't enough vaccine for those that want to take it, at present.

Don't go looking for problems that aren't there yet

I'll be honest, I'm a bit nervous about having the vaccination. However, all my friends and family are talking about being able to get together when we've all had the vaccination. Some won't be 100% immune, but it means the risk will be so much lower and we can relax and enjoy. Also, I want the risk reduced for the whole of humanity.

Most the people I know want the vaccine. Lovely mother inlaw has now had first jab after shielding for months. So pleased for her.

What worries me is the BAME take up. It is reported that something like only 55% of those eligible say they will have it.

Now in the UK as a whole that isn't a problem because BAME people only make up a small percentage. So immunity could be achieved.

However in London the BAME population is over half of the people. Something like 58%. Other cities and towns will have a similar issue.

Judging be the amount of anti vaccine memes and false news I get sent to me from friends in the BAME category there is a real issue.

I am all for free choice but London could be stuffed people don't change there minds.

I've had Covid. I do follow the rules but I'm not worried about catching it again unless it mutates to become a risk to people under 40 with no health issues. I will have the vaccine if I will be subject to restrictions that impact upon my life otherwise.

I think it should go to the elderly and clinically vulnerable worldwide before healthy young or middle aged adults in the UK.