If not enough people take the vaccine?

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If those eligible for the vaccine decline to have it for whatever reason, will it mean restrictions will be in place for longer? Or will it be a case off tough luck you refused the vaccine take your chances?
I know a quite few people who would be eligible for the vaccine soon either due to their age , job or ECV and around 50% say they aren't having it, if that's the case nationally will it be enough to reduce transmission enough to ease restrictions? Or do I know just know an unusually high amount of weird people that don't want the vaccine? 🤔

Other countries are going to want to protect themselves so not unreasonable to expect that visitors to their country would need evidence of the vaccine. Similar to some countries requiring yellow fever vaccination and many US states requiring the chicken pox vaccination before children can start school.

@Wherediditgo

One of the easiest ways to convince people would be to hand some slightly exaggerated news story to the media in order to scare more people in to taking it.... like... I don’t know, a new strain perhaps

If anything, news about the new strain clearly hightlight how much we still don't know about this virus, the Covid vaccines and the unintended consequences of related medical treatment (e.g. one of the hypothesis is that the new strain was the result of convalescent plasma given to someone who was immunocompromised)

There's a lot of unknowns at present

www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/covid-vaccine-travel-2021

Covid vaccines for travel.

I think it’s likely that if enough of the most vulnerable people refused the vaccine, then restrictions would last longer - as I understand it, one of the main reasons for the restrictions is to try and keep pressure on the NHS at a manageable level. And that will be harder if a significant proportion of vulnerable people refuse the vaccine.
Although sooner or later we’ll reach a point where vaccine rollout reduces transmission and / or hospital admissions enough for people who refuse vaccination to be left to take their chances.

But most people I know seem keen to have the vaccine. I know a few elderly people who’ve had the first dose already. My parents and PILs want the vaccine. DH works in a hospital that’s just started rolling the vaccine out to staff, he’s said that most of the staff in his department, including him, want the vaccine - he only knows one (a secretary) who’s said that they’ll refuse it.
Talk about vaccines on my local Facebook groups is almost entirely positive, there’s the odd comment about microchips or whatever, but I’d say over 95% of the people commenting are saying that they’d have the vaccine or that their elderly relatives are having it.
I don’t know how representative that is of the U.K. as a whole though.

The compulsory vaccine thought has a major problem.
As of yet children are not permitted to have the vaccine, neither are a whole host of other people, such as pregnant women, nor are people advised to take the vaccine if trying for a baby.

Are we suggesting children are not permitted to partake in society until a vaccine is approved. Pregnant women are they too not permitted to live.

The data clearly shows who is at risk from covid, it's people over a certain age range and people with underlying health conditions.

To recommend that people out side of this smaller group are not to be permitted participation in society presents a serious ethical dilemma. marginalising people in society has been frowned upon, yet people are now calling for others to loose freedoms simply because they need to pause for thought on the issue of the vaccine.
Coercing via shaming or force has never been a succeful tool with which to motivate people.

What's most galling is those underneath the older age groups are in the main entirely accountable for their own health issues.
Yet they want not only vaccinating/economic protection but punishment for people unwilling to share responsibility and accountability for their personal health issues across the populace.

It's disgusting, rather medieval.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The article is just speculative journalism from LonelyPlanet who are jumping the gun as they are desperate for travel to resume so that they can recover lost revenue

I'm surprised you can attribute any credibility to this

Did we read the same article? It basically says keep all the paperwork when you get vaccinated as you might need it to book flights, most likely to countries that have done well at getting covid under control.
It seems pretty sensible advice to me.

DH and I were discussing the vaccine last night. I can’t understand why anyone (who medical can) wouldn’t want a vaccine which can help them and everyone else’s life return to normal.

Obviously everyone can make the decision themselves - just seems very odd reaction to something so positive.

It doesn't matter if others don't have it.
The vaccine doesn't affect transmission, only the severity of people's symptoms.

@MrsMomoa

It doesn't matter if others don't have it. The vaccine doesn't affect transmission, only the severity of people's symptoms.

Nope, that’s wrong. We don’t yet know the effect on transmission because it’s not something you can easily find out from a phase 3 trial. Scientists are optimistic it will have an effect. The ‘we don’t know’ seems to have got garbled and changed into ‘it won’t’, which is absolutely not the case.

@Parker231

DH and I were discussing the vaccine last night. I can’t understand why anyone (who medical can) wouldn’t want a vaccine

I think valid reasons have been discussed on these threads many times.

I'm amazed you still cannot understand these points of view

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

We don’t yet know

That's what she is saying

I also can't see how travel can be restricted for those who've not had it, seeing as not everyone is going to be offered it. So I just can't take my teenage kids on holiday anymore? How does that work then?

I will be offered fairly soon it as an front line NHS, am still thinking about whether I want it or not as I think I'm naturally immune to covid (didn't catch it from my boyfriend when he had it back in Spring)

Truly delicious. Go ahead and refuse it! I don’t care, it means I’ll get it sooner. You’re doing the rest of us a favour!

[quote trulydelicious]@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

We don’t yet know

That's what she is saying[/quote]
No, she said it doesn’t:
‘ The vaccine doesn't affect transmission, only the severity of people's symptoms.’

I'm ECV and mentioned to my surgery I will have it if someone cancels - I live maybe 300m from the surgery and can be there in minutes! They've done it before when I've needed an appointment, rung me and said there's a cancellation and can I come down now

It can be area dependent. I live in an area where MMR uptake was always high enough. Everyone I know here is keen and a couple have been vaccinated already!

I was slightly dubious as was my MiL but she had said this week she may as well have it as any long term effects hold no fear any more! And I am feeling the same way tbh.

Then there was the survey which showed UK public less likely to refuse vaccine than elsewhere and so I believe we will have a high uptake.

Certain vaccines are required for entry into particular countries already.

Why people think this wouldn’t happen for the most devastating illness in current times (in terms of societal effect, rather than disease severity itself) I have no idea.

@JudyGemstone

I also can't see how travel can be restricted for those who've not had it, seeing as not everyone is going to be offered it. So I just can't take my teenage kids on holiday anymore? How does that work then?

I will be offered fairly soon it as an front line NHS, am still thinking about whether I want it or not as I think I'm naturally immune to covid (didn't catch it from my boyfriend when he had it back in Spring)

The two things aren’t mutually exclusive- airlines are commercial entities, they make their own decisions. They may well decide that they will not accept unvaccinated passengers, while knowing that not everyone will initially be able to access the vaccine. It will be a commercial decision.

@OpheliasCrayon

I actually don't know anyone who will have it. And they're definitely not anti vax. Even my DH who's a scientist has said he won't. I can't have it anyway due to severe allergies (I can't even take the drugs to treat my own illnesses ) so I've never needed to consider it.

But I Literally know no one, including doctors who will.

Your DH who is a scientist won't have it? That sounds unbelievable

I could've been vaccinated by now (nhs worker) but due to a severe penicillin allergy I'm not allowed to have the Pfizer vaccine.
There are quite a few others in the same boat. Waiting patiently for the Oxford one as they think it will be fine for us.
Have to say when the vaccine slots are being released on a daily basis for staff they are being filled within 20 minutes so uptake looks to be good.

Oh I also have a penicillin allergy, I didn't realise that was an issue. 🤔

@JudyGemstone

Oh I also have a penicillin allergy, I didn't realise that was an issue. 🤔

Yes, I spoke to our in-house occupational health who said as I'd had an anaphylactic reaction to penicillin that they wouldn't risk it. Chances are I would be fine as I have been with the flu jag. They may well change their guidance on it but for now it's a no.

I worked in the COVID vaccination clinic on Tuesday and 247/250 of the aged 80+ people booked onto the clinic turned up and had it. A 3/250 DNA rate is really low so I'm hopeful the uptake will be good, especially in vulnerable groups

Personally I would bite their hands off to have it but I've not been offered it yet (soon I hope as I'm patient facing!). I'm delaying TTC purely so I can have it ASAP

I can't believe you know noone who will have it unless you live a Steiner school bubble type of life.