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Second new variant identified

138 replies

Coolieloach · 23/12/2020 15:16

Just listening to Matt Hancock- I second mutation brought in from South Africa- I honestly didn’t think it could get any worse 😬

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MoirasRoses · 23/12/2020 16:07

@DigitalGhost - I’ve got a 9 month old. It’s hard. Can you bubble under the new under one bubble rules? We have with my parents & its made life a lot more bearable. They apply in tier 4. We are remaining very cautious but seeing them for short periods of time, usually outdoors. And we went to stay with my in-laws in summer when it was allowed for a couple weeks. They live 4 hours away so have only seen us once this year but at least they had a solid 2 week stint!

I know it’s hard & it seems never ending but I find nothing makes all this more bearable than my children. They know nothing about it & make me laugh and smile. I’m so grateful for my DD2 who’s arrival this year has made 2020 a happy year despite it all!

danni0509 · 23/12/2020 16:08

Hands up who wants @Moondust001 on the Downing Street podium 🖐

Grin
chantico · 23/12/2020 16:11

Useful article from the US about the SA variant

www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-variant-south-africa-spread/

TheGremlinsAreComing · 23/12/2020 16:11

@Requinblanc

Hancock needs to be stopped.

It is completely irresponsible for him to open his mouth every 5 minutes with yet another scare story without having the facts first (is it more contagious/deadly, does it affect the vaccine, what is the plan to address this...).

The communication is atrocious

All this is achieving is to drive people insane or to make them think ''we are doomed anyway so what is the point of following any of the rules''.

I think this government will end up killing more people than the virus itself...

100% agree. I came here to say this too.
Cornettoninja · 23/12/2020 16:12

Yeah, but just be aware of how what you say can make others feel also

I’ll back you up on that @Jourdain11.

Lots of people come to mumsnet for reassurance or to find others who feel the same but we don’t all get/need the same thing. Some need to share with others who feel as they do and others need to look for positivity or facts to help them process.

There’s room for everybody in the right place.

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:14

@Cornettoninja

Is this the same variant that has been reported previously? South Africa identified another strain a few months ago so I’m wondering whether both mutations are similar/linked in some way.
I thought it was known about earlier than ours too?

Not sure why flights all stopped from here but not SA earlier

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:15

Quoting as I kind of agree with question

ballsdeep · 23/12/2020 16:17

@Moondust001

It isn't a second new variant. It's yet another variant. Viruses evolving happens continually, there have already been loads of variants recorded. I do wish politicians would stop trying to talk about science like they know anything about it. They can barely manage politics, never mind science. There is literally "nothing to see here" and ministers scaremongering is irresponsible. What is critical is "does something become more lethal?" - and there is no evidence that is the case. Most viruses are not in the business of being lethal, and this one is of that ilk too. Let's not inflate this beyond what it is. There is a virus, it transmits quite easily (many do) and because we have neither natural defences nor have we personally yet had a vaccine, we need to be careful, but not hysterical. Nothing in that message has changed.
They are probably trying to take the heat off the shit show of the UK and what is happening since they announced a mutant variant on Saturday.

I completely agree with you about them talking about science. I was aghast when Jenny harries said about teachers no more likely to cause it. She is an awful woman

cdtaylornats · 23/12/2020 16:17

It is a virus they mutate if they get a hard look.

Lots of mutations don't get heard of because it makes the virus non-viable but a few make it.

thenightsky · 23/12/2020 16:18

@Moondust001

It isn't a second new variant. It's yet another variant. Viruses evolving happens continually, there have already been loads of variants recorded. I do wish politicians would stop trying to talk about science like they know anything about it. They can barely manage politics, never mind science. There is literally "nothing to see here" and ministers scaremongering is irresponsible. What is critical is "does something become more lethal?" - and there is no evidence that is the case. Most viruses are not in the business of being lethal, and this one is of that ilk too. Let's not inflate this beyond what it is. There is a virus, it transmits quite easily (many do) and because we have neither natural defences nor have we personally yet had a vaccine, we need to be careful, but not hysterical. Nothing in that message has changed.
Perfectly put. Lets hope people take notice and calm down.
Blue565 · 23/12/2020 16:20

Remember Hancock is a politician, the objective is to make people comply - So they are (fucking ironically) using a form of 'Project Fear'

Ooooh new scary version of the virus, you better stay home in your new tiers. It wouldn't have the same impact if they said what the Moondust posted above (despite being correct).

BlairCorneliaWaldorf · 23/12/2020 16:23

I completely agree with you about them talking about science. I was aghast when Jenny harries said about teachers no more likely to cause it. She is an awful woman

I think you mean no more likely to catch it? I think you may have misinterpreted what she was saying. What she actually said was teachers are at no more risk, meaning no more risk of severity of the virus. Not they are no more likely to catch it.

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:24

@Moondust001

It isn't a second new variant. It's yet another variant. Viruses evolving happens continually, there have already been loads of variants recorded. I do wish politicians would stop trying to talk about science like they know anything about it. They can barely manage politics, never mind science. There is literally "nothing to see here" and ministers scaremongering is irresponsible. What is critical is "does something become more lethal?" - and there is no evidence that is the case. Most viruses are not in the business of being lethal, and this one is of that ilk too. Let's not inflate this beyond what it is. There is a virus, it transmits quite easily (many do) and because we have neither natural defences nor have we personally yet had a vaccine, we need to be careful, but not hysterical. Nothing in that message has changed.
Why do you think international community has reacted more to U.K. strain in terms of travel?
Moondust001 · 23/12/2020 16:24

@UncomfortableSilence

At the risk of sounding incredibly uneducated, I also currently have a shocking dose of Covid so please be kind Grin Can you catch each of these mutations individually?

I know Flu mutates and the vaccination is adjusted accordingly so is this the same here?

So for example I am in one of the top London boroughs for infection so assume I have this new strain could I then go on to catch the one they are talking about today?

There is nothing uneducated about asking a sensible question.

Nobody can give you an absolute guaranteed answer to that question - and commiserations because when I got it I felt like my life was drained out of me for a few weeks!

It is possible that different strains may be contracted - or even that the same strain can be contracted again at a later stage. But there is not actual evidence to say that, and studying what we know of this virus and what we know about the way many viruses act, then the answer is that you would probably not get reinfected by a strain unless it was a massively significant change (there is no reason to assume that is the case here) and even if you did there is a very good chance that you would be asymptomatic or get a mild infection. The strains are not so significantly different from each other that your bodies natural defences wouldn't recognise and fight any further infection.

Think about it like this. Once upon a time (and it would be so long ago that I can't tell you when) we did not recognise flu in any variation. It was also once a new virus. Over time our bodies have become used to it and when we encounter it our bodies know what to do to fight it off. If that doesn't work we might get a bad does of flu. Flu is a serious disease, but it is so commonplace that we joke about it all the time. It's just commonplace for us. But for the elderly and the vulnerable it has always been dangerous even after however long it has been since we first encountered it. So we have a vaccine that helps our bodies fight it better if we are more vulnerable to it. The flu vaccine isn't a magic bullet. And a very few healthy younger people die of flu every year. Or get post viral syndrome. I am afraid that a close friend of mine -54 years old and healthy - died last week having contracted flu that developed into pneumonia. Not Covid, flu.

So the chances are that no, you won't get another dose of it, and probably not for many months. We know that once the body recognises the virus it swings into action. We also know that it isn't entirely foreign to our bodies as it has been shown that some people have an immediate immune response anyway - this is not the only coronavirus out there, and one of the causes of the common cold is a coronavirus.

The trick to getting through this is to stay calm and be sensible. Anxiety actually impacts on the immune system! If you are ill, rest, relax, eat what you can, stay hydrated, and try to distract yourself from negative thoughts. If you contract the virus, you may be unlucky and get a bad case. But the chances of it being worse than that are very slim, and far less than you would imagine if you spend too much time on Mumsnet. The virus is potentially dangerous to a small group of people who are also vulnerable to lots of other viruses. That is about the people more than about the virus. We need to support them, and to protect a health service that has been savaged by cuts to manage treating the worst cases. But most people still haven't had the virus, the risk of catching it is still small albeit increasing, and the chances of a bad outcome for most people is vanishingly small. Keep it in perspective and don't make more of it than it is.

And for the person who asked if I could be Minister for Health - I don't think governments have a great interest in the truth, only in themselves. That isn't something that interests me. But it would be helpful if the minister stopped using words like "dangerous" in association with the virus - it mostly isn't dangerous - and started using them in association with the governments savage cuts to health and social care, support for the disadvantaged and so on. And that is despite having been warned in 2016 that the cuts had led to a dangerous unpreparedness for a pandemic when one one occured again. The government is much more dangerous than any virus.

Pinkflipflop85 · 23/12/2020 16:25

I like how they've very conveniently timed the announcement to distract from the absolute shit show going on in Dover and Manston right now...Hmm

ajandjjmum · 23/12/2020 16:26

Thanks Moondust for the reality check!

I noticed how effusive MH was in his comments about the South African scientists, sharing their knowledge and expertise. They have co-operated fully with other world experts.

Bit like we did - but were promptly shut down by 40 countries, with no acknowledgement of the fact that 'our' variant only came to light because of the excellent capabilities of our scientists. It may well have originated from elsewhere - and presumably in time we will get confirmation of this - although by that time it will be a small footnote, as by then some people will have found another handle with which to bash the UK.

ElephantWhaleRabbit · 23/12/2020 16:27

@Moondust001

It isn't a second new variant. It's yet another variant. Viruses evolving happens continually, there have already been loads of variants recorded. I do wish politicians would stop trying to talk about science like they know anything about it. They can barely manage politics, never mind science. There is literally "nothing to see here" and ministers scaremongering is irresponsible. What is critical is "does something become more lethal?" - and there is no evidence that is the case. Most viruses are not in the business of being lethal, and this one is of that ilk too. Let's not inflate this beyond what it is. There is a virus, it transmits quite easily (many do) and because we have neither natural defences nor have we personally yet had a vaccine, we need to be careful, but not hysterical. Nothing in that message has changed.
Fantastic post.
pinbinpin · 23/12/2020 16:29

Yes brilliant post! It's the normal, expected evolution of a continually mutating/evolving virus - as expected.

UncomfortableSilence · 23/12/2020 16:30

Moondust001 Thank you very much for your comprehensive answer and deepest condolences to you over the loss of your friend Thanks

I do indeed feel absolutely shocking so the thought of another dose of this anytime time soon was a little too much to take this afternoon Confused

pinbinpin · 23/12/2020 16:32

I think the Minister for Health should mandatorily be a current practicing or recent ex doctor a scientist with a mandatory degree in science or medicine, not some bloke that did PPE at Oxford.

Moondust001 · 23/12/2020 16:33

Why do you think international community has reacted more to U.K. strain in terms of travel?

Possibly because only one government in the world has an idiot who goes on international television to say that they have a new strain of the virus and it is "dangerously out of control"? The travel bans are already beginning to lift as people elsewhere realise this isn't the announcement of the apocalypse, just an idiot getting it out of proportion again. Like I said, be cautious, don't be hysterical. If you tell people you've discovered something dangerously out of control, don't be surprised that people stand back!

Jenasaurus · 23/12/2020 16:34

Apologies if this has already been posted, the thread is so fast moving I may have missed it

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/south-africa-struggles-contain-second-covid-wave-new-strain?CMP=share_btn_tw

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:35

@Moondust001

Why do you think international community has reacted more to U.K. strain in terms of travel?

Possibly because only one government in the world has an idiot who goes on international television to say that they have a new strain of the virus and it is "dangerously out of control"? The travel bans are already beginning to lift as people elsewhere realise this isn't the announcement of the apocalypse, just an idiot getting it out of proportion again. Like I said, be cautious, don't be hysterical. If you tell people you've discovered something dangerously out of control, don't be surprised that people stand back!

I’m surprised people take note of this tbh! Surely scientific channels are used.

The WHO issued a statement on U.K. strain and Nabarro thought it reasonable flights were stopped. I found it pretty annoying since we we could have done with that allowance in Jan.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 23/12/2020 16:39

Some countries did ban arrivals from South Africa, for example the Netherlands did so on the same day as they banned arrivals from UK and I think Germany was the same, and I dare say many other others unreported here

MarshaBradyo · 23/12/2020 16:42

I think about five? Switzerland only other I can see in press however, plus those two.

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