Costco denying entry to mask exempt unless they wear a shield

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Surely this is discrimination? Some people who can't wear a mask can't wear a visor either (I can't, I have trigeminal neuralgia and can't tolerate any pressure on my face/head/temples). There are other conditions which make wearing them impossible, too. I'm sure the government guidelines state this sort of action isn't permitted?

I don't shop at Costco personally but I'm so worried other places will follow suit (and no, I can't avoid shops sadly - no delivery slots for months here and I don't drive so no c&c. Also no friends/relatives to shop for me).

Yet another layer of anxiety and worry

Costco can maybe be the first to start a new acceptable trend

Perhaps I'll start a new acceptable trend for shoplifting, or arson. Except I can't, because both are illegal.

@likeamillpond

I agree with their policy. Their are other options to wearing a mask such as Bandanas and shields. My 83 yr old mother has asthma, panic attacks and sighte problems Also tinnitus which cause balance issues. She could use those things as an excuse if she wanted. But fair play to her, she got me to order her a face shield Which she wears. Every time. It's about time people stopped making excuses and started acting more responsibly.

An exemption isn't an excuse. Some people cannot wear face coverings, which is why exemptions exist. Just because you mother can wear a face covering, it doesn't follow that everyone can. Mask, bandana, shield or otherwise. And shields alone are not permitted anyway.

"It's about time people stopped making excuses and started acting more responsibly."

It's about time some people stopped being so thick. If hospitals are allowing people in without masks because they understand that some people cannot wear them then some random without those qualifications doesn't know better.

My mother is definitely not thick.
She's disabled but chooses to wear a face covering, even though she hates it.
She's thinking of others.
Which I admire.

@lakesidexmas

I think that it might be more helpful to look at the current situation in a 'what can I do to help others keep safe' rather than 'my rights are' way. So if I can't wear a mask shopping to help keep others safe I'll use online shopping or click and collect or ask for help. Same with pharmacy items etc.

For me personally it means keeping dc in the car when I go shopping rather than troup them round as one example.

There are going to be some pinch points but if people focused on keeping others safe as a priority universal bans like Costco's wouldn't be needed.

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It's not your mother I'm talking about. It's the person who thinks everyone can wear one.

Wearing a visor on its own is pointless. Hence why they are only supposed to be worn with a mask. Your mother is not being responsible or stopping the spread. She is just doing something for the sake of it and pandering to people who don’t recognise that some people are exempt.

@likeamillpond

My mother is definitely not thick. She's disabled but chooses to wear a face covering, even though she hates it. She's thinking of others. Which I admire.

Unfortunately face masks should not be worn alone.

@MadameBlobby

Wearing a visor on its own is pointless. Hence why they are only supposed to be worn with a mask. Your mother is not being responsible or stopping the spread. She is just doing something for the sake of it and pandering to people who don’t recognise that some people are exempt.

This.

Visors are useless alone. They're not 'better than nothing', they are the same as nothing. All they do is protect the wearer from large splashes/droplets. They do nothing to protect the wearer - or others - against Covid. Which is why many governments do not allow their use without masks.

@MadameBlobby

Wearing a visor on its own is pointless. Hence why they are only supposed to be worn with a mask. Your mother is not being responsible or stopping the spread. She is just doing something for the sake of it and pandering to people who don’t recognise that some people are exempt.

A visor is better than nothing I suppose and more for the protection of staff members than the person wearing the visor.

I agree it’s not much cop mind, but if for example two adults were standing face to face and one of them asked the other a question (customer asking staff a question) - the spray from their saliva will hit the visor rather than the person (staff members)

It’s not to say it won’t seep out the sides and be airborne for others to breath in but in the above example I think it would be beneficial.

I have rtft and even if the UK gov don't 'allow' visors without face covers I doubt anyone would challenge it. It is making an effort isn't it.

'Any disability that prevents one from wearing a mask is either a physical or mental health condition related to breathing or face covering.Being ill with a respiratory disease and possibly needing hospital care would certainly not be good for people with those conditions.'

Exactly. I have a relative with a serious health condition that makes face covers/visor wearing difficult, but they do. Anything to reduce the risk of either contracting or transmitting. There are so many options, snood pulled up, scarf pulled up, visors, face covers. It is tbh unbelievable that people can't manage one of them and when other people are enduring it it seems very disappointing that everyone doesn't do the same.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

I have rtft and even if the UK gov don't 'allow' visors without face covers I doubt anyone would challenge it. It is making an effort isn't it.

'Any disability that prevents one from wearing a mask is either a physical or mental health condition related to breathing or face covering.Being ill with a respiratory disease and possibly needing hospital care would certainly not be good for people with those conditions.'

Exactly. I have a relative with a serious health condition that makes face covers/visor wearing difficult, but they do. Anything to reduce the risk of either contracting or transmitting. There are so many options, snood pulled up, scarf pulled up, visors, face covers. It is tbh unbelievable that people can't manage one of them and when other people are enduring it it seems very disappointing that everyone doesn't do the same.

It's not, won't, it's can't. Do you really suppose the those who cannot wear coverings would not love to? Not only to protect others but also to avoid the abuse every time we go out, and the attitudes such as those here.

I really don't know how many times it needs to be said: some people cannot wear face coverings. This is recognised and there are exemptions in place. It can be as unbelievable as you like - just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it isn't true. And, yet again: Just because your relative can wear a mask, it doesn't follow that everyone can.

My GP and consultant have both agreed that I shouldn't attempt (again) to wear a covering. Do you know better than them? Have you evaluated the medical records of all those who are exempt?

@GetOffYourHighHorse also, love the fact that you feel you know better than government health advisors not just here, but in many other countries too. Wearing a visor is not 'making an effort' as it does nothing to slow the spread of protect others (or yourself). It's utterly performative.

"It is tbh unbelievable that people can't manage one of them and when other people are enduring it it seems very disappointing that everyone doesn't do the same"

Do you find it unbelievable that some people can't walk and feel very disappointed in them?

Some people just won't be satisfied until they see people 'enduring' things like losing consciousness and wetting themselves on buses, just as long as they've got a mask on. It feels almost as if they get some sort of kick out of seeing people in such a state.

Of course perhaps they would prefer to see people just stay in for months lose their jobs and not be able to claim benefits, their independence, health, and have others look after their DC.

Which is best? Which would you like is do? Regularly piss ourselves in public or lose everything?

Sorry for typos!

'Do you find it unbelievable that some people can't walk and feel very disappointed in them'

Nope. As I said I have a relative with severe problems. Look, the tiny percentage of those with trigeminal issues just pull a scarf or snood up. Anyone with actual psychological issues or those who think masks affects their breathing capabilities wear a visor. Those with cognitive issue like dementia of course would struggle but if it was that advanced that they couldn't understand they would be with a carer or a family member anyway.

It's all an inconvenient truth. Again, I wouldn't ever challenge anyone but people do because we all know we should all be using them.

"It's all an inconvenient truth. Again, I wouldn't ever challenge anyone but people do because we all know we should all be using them."

People who are better qualified and have more knowledge than you, don't agree.

'Their are other options to wearing a mask such as Bandanas and shields. My 83 yr old mother has asthma, panic attacks and sighte problems Also tinnitus which cause balance issues. She could use those things as an excuse if she wanted. But fair play to her, she got me to order her a face shield Which she wears. Every time. It's about time people stopped making excuses and started acting more responsibly.'

Yes people like your mum doing the right thing despite the discomfort and struggle should be a lesson and example to others.

Back to my point about online shopping. If you order online it reduces your exposure and any viral load. Your post was about Costco and as far as I know they don’t offer hospital appointments! Obviously if you have to go you have to go but you can still reduce your exposure. Ditto other things you have to do. I don’t understand why you want to put yourself at risk. The supermarkets have created a load more delivery jobs - it’s really not difficult to get a delivery as it was initially. Just saying.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Do you find it unbelievable that some people can't walk and feel very disappointed in them'

Nope. As I said I have a relative with severe problems. Look, the tiny percentage of those with trigeminal issues just pull a scarf or snood up. Anyone with actual psychological issues or those who think masks affects their breathing capabilities wear a visor. Those with cognitive issue like dementia of course would struggle but if it was that advanced that they couldn't understand they would be with a carer or a family member anyway.

It's all an inconvenient truth. Again, I wouldn't ever challenge anyone but people do because we all know we should all be using them.

For goodness sake. How can you 'pull a scarf or snood up' when you can't tolerate touch to your face/jaw? It doesn't matter how many times I say this isn't possible for some TN sufferers, posters here with no experience of TN tell me it is.

It's the absolute refusal of people to actually listen to those with health conditions that really, really frustrates me. Thinking you know better about what we go through or how our conditions affect us is patronising and ableist. It's like you're patting us on the head and saying 'must try harder'. I've tried. I can't wear a face covering. Do you know better than my GP and neurologist? What are your qualifications? Have you evaluated my medical records?

And no, it's not a truth just because you say it is.

There is one thing this pandemic has shown me - the number of utterly ghastly judgemental turds there are who have the compassion of a toad.

I’m shaking my head at this thread

@TorringtonDean

Back to my point about online shopping. If you order online it reduces your exposure and any viral load. Your post was about Costco and as far as I know they don’t offer hospital appointments! Obviously if you have to go you have to go but you can still reduce your exposure. Ditto other things you have to do. I don’t understand why you want to put yourself at risk. The supermarkets have created a load more delivery jobs - it’s really not difficult to get a delivery as it was initially. Just saying.

I'll say it yet again.

I said in my OP I don't shop at Costco. My concern is that other places will adopt this policy which is both illegal and discriminatory.

I do not need help shopping - I am able to do my shopping myself, when I can not get delivery slots ( which I haven't been able to for a very long time).

If only I had 50p for every time I've had to say that on this thread

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Their are other options to wearing a mask such as Bandanas and shields. My 83 yr old mother has asthma, panic attacks and sighte problems Also tinnitus which cause balance issues. She could use those things as an excuse if she wanted. But fair play to her, she got me to order her a face shield Which she wears. Every time. It's about time people stopped making excuses and started acting more responsibly.'

Yes people like your mum doing the right thing despite the discomfort and struggle should be a lesson and example to others.

How is it doing the right thing when the government do not allow visors to be worn alone?

And TN attacks are not 'discomfort'. Maybe educate yourself a little.