To think Macron is ridiculous

[Dongdingdong]

These poor lorry drivers are very isolated anyway due to the nature of their jobs. The chances of them catching this new super strain and transmitting it are even slimmer than most people’s very slim chances. Macron’s decision to close the border is a hysterical overreaction and no doubt politically (Brexit) motivated. Open the borders and let them through!

@StormzyinaTCup

People seem to be deranged that it is some kind of mandatory privilege that the French has to open and operate their borders with us. They don't have to.

Its also seen to be deranged to think that the French have a mandatory privilege to continue to fish our waters after 31st December. They don’t.

At the end of the day this is what it’s all about (IMO).

Yes, it is totally reasonable to make life sooo much worse for everyone because of an industry that contributes 0.2% to GDP. How could I not see this?

oh, and btw. everyone coming with the fishing should sod off imo as it is a totally fabricated idiotic subterfuge so that ppl who don't want to think can parrot it away. Tbf - it worked, but I am getting tired of it.

12k fishers out of 67 MILLION!! It makes all sense to prioritize them above EVERYONE!

@BolloxtoGender

The amount of glee, gloating, self hatred and acquiescence to what amounts to bullying shown by some is quite disgusting.

Indeed.

Why did the post before from you say this post was being hidden so mumsnet can have a look at it sunisshining and how did you delete it?

[quote StormzyinaTCup]1. UK says it has a new mutation that is 70% more infections
What do ppl think other countries will do? Ask brits to please come in hordes? Of course they shut their borders. They are in deep shit already. They don't need to be dealing with something else that they can prevent from happening

That’s the point, you can’t prevent it from happening.

France were supposed to have hit the peak of its ‘second wave’ in November but cases are not dropping as quickly as they would expect to have seen. Is it a second wave of the same virus or is this a mutated virus same as U.K.?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-54557549[/quote]
The article you linked to is from October. While it might be true cases in France are not as low as hoped, they are below 20,000 and cases are not increasing at a rate consistent with the highly infectious new strain.

Yes, it is totally reasonable to make life sooo much worse for everyone because of an industry that contributes 0.2% to GDP.
How could I not see this?

oh, and btw. everyone coming with the fishing should sod off imo as it is a totally fabricated idiotic subterfuge so that ppl who don't want to think can parrot it away. Tbf - it worked, but I am getting tired of it.

12k fishers out of 67 MILLION!! It makes all sense to prioritize them above EVERYONE!

From a % of GDP perspective fishing represents a tiny part of the EU economy as well. For France there are about 24,000 active fisherman from a population of 65 million, should they just roll over and see their coastal communities decimated for the greater good? From the UK point of view it is hugely symbolic as it is wrapped up in the sovereignty issue. It's not exactly 'taking back control' if the end result of Brexit is continued EU access to UK waters at current levels with quotas and any subsequent disputes settled by the European Courts.

It's not exactly 'taking back control' if the end result of Brexit is continued EU access to UK waters at current levels with quotas and any subsequent disputes settled by the European Courts.
Because the WTO Appelate panel is going to be so much simpler to deal with

ListeningQuietly

Quite

But folk banging on about only the economic value of the fishing industry are wilfully ignoring the symbolic issues that require both Macron (elections next year) and Boris (take back control/sovereignty/continuation as leader of the Conservative Party) to play to their respective audiences,.

Macron is not the EU.

UK fishermen sold their quotas to the Dutch and Spanish.
If the French cannot fish in the northern Manche for a few months and have to survive on what they can get from the coast of Brittany and the southern waters
I am sure they will cope.

If the British lose out on a trade deal for the sake of some razor clams and hake
it would be very very stupid

Macron is not the EU

No but he has a veto that can sink any deal over fishing access

UK fishermen sold their quotas to the Dutch and Spanish.

Many parts of the quota were sold by (mostly) English fishermen in the 1990s when fishing rights were cut dramatically. Cod fishing, for instance, was almost entirely stopped for several years forcing many small scale fisherman to sell. Foreign companies then bought them up as a long-term investments.

If the British lose out on a trade deal for the sake of some razor clams and hake it would be very very stupid

I agree

Many parts of the quota were sold by (mostly) English fishermen in the 1990s when fishing rights were cut dramatically
ONLY the UK allowed quota allowances to be sold to other countries
because each country was sovereign within the EU

@ListeningQuietly

Many parts of the quota were sold by (mostly) English fishermen in the 1990s when fishing rights were cut dramatically ONLY the UK allowed quota allowances to be sold to other countries because each country was sovereign within the EU

You will never get this through certain skulls. Some people don't want to acknowledge that this whole shitshow is about the right of tax evasion for the super rich and nothing else.

It is defnitely a "this is what will happen if we don't get a deal" show by the bloc using the pandemic for political gain!
Agree. It is also a weedy little énarque who is posturing because he is terrified of his own position when his fishermen don’t get what they want. He had been able to deflect from the shishow that is France which goes not reported here. On the various lockduen scenarios the police demand papers from the general population to leave their homes, but go nowhere near the slums where the disaster runs rife and no-one gives a stuff.
Macron has not been able to hover. The country effectively. 23 of the countries care not a fig about fish and the deal would be long done without his intransigence.
His days are numbered either way he he’s taking the country firm with him. He has a lot in common with Boris...

‘govern’ not hove!

It's not nasty man Macron. It's a political stunt which, quite frankly, has inconvenienced Romanian, French or other nationality lorry drivers who are trying to get home to be with their families more than us. He has Marine Le Penn and the recent atrocious activities of political Islam breathing down his neck as well as the French fishermen to think of.

It is defnitely a "this is what will happen if we don't get a deal" show by the bloc using the pandemic for political gain

I do not agree, a no deal will not result in any EU country banning UK freight from entering the 'bloc (in normal circumstances)

This is about protecting the EU from getting even more of the new strain of CV.
The UK has just recorded its highest daily number of infections, so perhaps they are right to worried?

This is about protecting the EU from getting even more of the new strain of CV.
The UK has just recorded its highest daily number of infections, so perhaps they are right to worried?

Come on, it isn't just about that. If you really think that then you're extremely naive.

This is about protecting the EU from getting even more of the new strain of CV

Do you mean protecting Europe?

@HmmSureJan

This is about protecting the EU from getting even more of the new strain of CV. The UK has just recorded its highest daily number of infections, so perhaps they are right to worried?

Come on, it isn't just about that. If you really think that then you're extremely naive.

Nope, i think to myself what the majority view would be in the UK if France had this new strain and we didn't.

Would we close the borders, demanding 'drivers are tested first? or would we let them in regardless.

As i said, a no-deal doesn't close any borders, we should all know that by now.

UK can test drivers using PCR, why are they fucking about? thats a better question.

@MrsMiaWallis

This is about protecting the EU from getting even more of the new strain of CV

Do you mean protecting Europe?

the discussion seems to be about the EU/Macron, so i meant the EU.

Would we close the borders, demanding 'drivers are tested first? or would we let them in regardless

We would let them in - to avoid delays, pandemonium and because we aren't stupid and realise that hauliers have been doing their job since the start of the pandemic with no evidence to show they spread the virus.

Macron is a bloody idiot leaving EU drivers stuck in the UK Why not test them when they return to their depots

What about the other 40+ countries that have closed their borders to the UK due to the new variant?
Including Commonwealth countries?

It is not France, it is a large proportion of the world. They'd rather avoid this ultra infectious variant.

@notagoodyear

What about the other 40+ countries that have closed their borders to the UK due to the new variant? Including Commonwealth countries?

It is not France, it is a large proportion of the world. They'd rather avoid this ultra infectious variant.

And that's fine. But Macron needs to let the hauliers go home. The fact that most European countries go through France to get to the UK is his problem.

But Macron needs to let the hauliers go home. The fact that most European countries go through France to get to the UK is his problem

After almost 48hrs the UK has finally agreed to test the drivers.

Its down to UK intransigence why this wasn't agreed earlier.

I think you'll find its also the UK's problem

After almost 48hrs the UK has finally agreed to test the drivers

Great, but in practice we all know you can test negative one day and show symptoms up to 10 days later. What happens if a driver tests positive, does he have to stay in his truck in the U.K. over Christmas? Would they be allowed to come home and self isolate and how do you monitor that? plus the last time I got on a roro ferry you had to leave your vehicle whilst it was sailing, which is a problem if you have tested positive.