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To think Macron is ridiculous

465 replies

Dongdingdong · 22/12/2020 07:11

These poor lorry drivers are very isolated anyway due to the nature of their jobs. The chances of them catching this new super strain and transmitting it are even slimmer than most people’s very slim chances. Macron’s decision to close the border is a hysterical overreaction and no doubt politically (Brexit) motivated. Open the borders and let them through!

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MrsMiaWallis · 22/12/2020 18:35

Its down to UK intransigence why this wasn't agreed earlier

Evidence for this?

HistoryKitty · 22/12/2020 18:53

@notagoodyear

What about the other 40+ countries that have closed their borders to the UK due to the new variant? Including Commonwealth countries?

It is not France, it is a large proportion of the world. They'd rather avoid this ultra infectious variant.

Because they've quite reasonably closed their borders to people travelling, not to freight. Unlike France, they haven't cut off the main food supply route. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anyone cutting off the food supply chain to Italy in March when Covid started spreading out of control rapidly there, although people travel was stopped?
5lilducks · 22/12/2020 19:01

I feel very sorry for them. Its such a mess. A bit besides the point- but how do these drivers have their meals/ get enough water and use the toilet when they are stuck in that long queue for days?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/12/2020 19:02

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall anyone cutting off the food supply chain to Italy in March when Covid started spreading out of control rapidly there, although people travel was stopped?

Italy is an EU member, we are not, will you be as outraged when other countries outside of the bloc get cut off or is this another English exceptionalism? Remember youre taking back control of your borders, money and law, wheres your stiff upper lip? Would some of you like some ketchup on your schadenfreude? Grin

MrsMiaWallis · 22/12/2020 19:03

Independent Sage say no basis in fact to assume hauliers and freight spread cv.

Macron is just willy waving and everyone knows it.

MrsMiaWallis · 22/12/2020 19:04

Italy is an EU member, we are not

Yes, because apparently Covid doesn't spread to other EU member countries. Have a word with yourself

TheSunIsStillShining · 22/12/2020 19:08

@HistoryKitty
Could you please stop with this cutting off food supply chains on purpose bs?

There is a lot more shoreline: Belgium, NL, PO, DE or Spain, Portugal....
This is not the only way to bring freight. Yes, it is the most commonly used and most economic, but by closing this nobody is "starving" the UK.

The fact that the UK chose to rely so heavily on just one point of transport is not the EU or France's fault.

AGAIN: the UK had the opportunity to plan for any of the events that have happened this year and what will happen next year. They CHOSE NOT TO.

It's not the EU's or whoever else's fault that there is a new mutation, it was to be expected. They should have planned for it. The least they could have done is not do a big bang "+70% infectious" pressie, but actually forewarn the "partner" countries. They knew it for weeks now.

THEY CHOSE to do it this way. Either by design or stupidity. Or both.
I am sure that there are some out there who have made a killing off this in some form (although I can't think of a scenario, but should not underestimate their greed)

Snog · 22/12/2020 19:17

Macron is either hysterical or point scoring. Fair enough to stop passenger travel but freight?

And they already have the same variant circulating in France they just don't have good enough analysis to realise it...

Snog · 22/12/2020 19:20

@HistoryKitty excellent point re not cutting food supply to Italy earlier in the year.

slipperywhensparticus · 22/12/2020 19:23

Its not a coincidence he does this when we are at a sticking point in negotiations if we wouod agree to a ten year extension for them to fish in our waters and have 75% control over our waters then im guessing he would be more amenable

5lilducks · 22/12/2020 19:25

Nah..things can't be too bad as Bojo has had an "excellent conversation" with Macron yesterday. He said so himself . I reckon Macron hung up on him 😂

StormzyinaTCup · 22/12/2020 19:55

So apparently we have agreed to test drivers and the army are to be used to help with this, however, Macron has stipulated that he doesn't want the lateral flow test which can give results in less than an hour, oh no, he wants the gold standard PCR test that is more expensive and would need to be undertaken 72 hours before channel crossing - I have only one word for that man and it's KNOBHEAD (and that's being very polite).

Let's hope we don't run out of tests for ourselves, cos it's not like we are going to be needing them or anything.

He has scored a massive own goal pulling this stunt.

chomalungma · 22/12/2020 19:55

So basically, countries in the EU have control of their borders, even if they're in the EU.

And if a country leaves the EU, then there could be even more issues with the border.

I've travelled and seen massive hold ups on the border - just because they can.

Now people who haven't done much travelling can see what it can mean.

chomalungma · 22/12/2020 19:56

however, Macron has stipulated that he doesn't want the lateral flow test which can give results in less than an hou

The lateral flow test is only 50% sensitive.

PandemicPavolova · 22/12/2020 20:00

I'm not following this properly but I'm getting that French lorry drivers feel abandoned by macron... Wasn't it lorry drivers rioting agaisnt him? There are some sort of tests in lorry stuck going the eu way?

CherryRoulade · 22/12/2020 20:02

Yes, you can’t blame him not accepting lateral flow testing.

TheSunIsStillShining · 22/12/2020 20:05

The irony of this thread.....
People are making Macron out to be Satan himself, but they don't bat an eyelash at the fact that the UK gov chose not to do anything on a humane level.

No toilets, no water and food distribution. They are -as always- relying on volunteers to do their job.
And according to the ppl here it's perfectly fine and normal thing to do.

I do think it is reasonable from any country to ask for a 48hr thinking period when a country drops a bombshell like this. It is to be expected. And yes, it is a bit of posturing as well and over-reaction.

ListeningQuietly · 22/12/2020 20:11

France IS NOT STOPPING VEHICLES GOING TO THE UK

It is stopping Drivers going into France

Italy has land borders with 5 other countries - learn some geography

StormzyinaTCup · 22/12/2020 20:16

The lateral flow test is only 50% sensitive.

Well we can provide the lateral flow this side of the channel and if wants the PCR test done he can arrange for it to be done on their arrival in France. Does he not want the drivers home for Christmas or something. It's nothing but a tantrum.

slipperywhensparticus · 22/12/2020 20:18

@ListeningQuietly

France IS NOT STOPPING VEHICLES GOING TO THE UK

It is stopping Drivers going into France

Italy has land borders with 5 other countries - learn some geography

Who is going to cross over into England knowing full well they cannot get back 🤔
ListeningQuietly · 22/12/2020 20:23

Who is going to cross over into England knowing full well they cannot get back
British drivers?

And this is just a foretaste of week after next - get used to it

willsantausesantatize · 22/12/2020 20:23

Surely testing their temperature or getting a doctor to check them over might be enough? How long have they been here for ? They Might test negative then be positive when they get home in a few days time? ( I hope not of course)
Why are the other tests not good enough ?

Surely they would rather just be on a ferry getting home than hanging about at Manston for many more days?
I know people will flare me but surely getting them all back is paramount not waiting 3 more days or whatever for test results to come back ? No wonder they are fed up.
Macron hasn't any empathy for those people at all does he? They are only trying to earn a living ffs.
I really feel for those poor drivers.
Nightmare.

HistoryKitty · 22/12/2020 20:24

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@HistoryKitty
Could you please stop with this cutting off food supply chains on purpose bs?

There is a lot more shoreline: Belgium, NL, PO, DE or Spain, Portugal....
This is not the only way to bring freight. Yes, it is the most commonly used and most economic, but by closing this nobody is "starving" the UK.

The fact that the UK chose to rely so heavily on just one point of transport is not the EU or France's fault.

AGAIN: the UK had the opportunity to plan for any of the events that have happened this year and what will happen next year. They CHOSE NOT TO.

It's not the EU's or whoever else's fault that there is a new mutation, it was to be expected. They should have planned for it. The least they could have done is not do a big bang "+70% infectious" pressie, but actually forewarn the "partner" countries. They knew it for weeks now.

THEY CHOSE to do it this way. Either by design or stupidity. Or both.
I am sure that there are some out there who have made a killing off this in some form (although I can't think of a scenario, but should not underestimate their greed)[/quote]
I didn't say France had shut the supply line on purpose to starve us into submission over Brexit or something, they are responding to an emergency situation, hence stopping people travelling, which 40 countries have quite rightly done, but whether it was necessary to close off freight too is arguably not the best decision.

No its not the only way to bring in freight, but its the main route because Dover is the nearest point of land to mainland France. Do you know how much it costs to fuel a ship? Its not cheap. The further you have to move freight by sea the more it costs and the more expensive the product for the consumer. Its not really feasible to start using a port 200 to 300 miles further up the coast. We do have other ports, Essex for example, but that's mainly for freight from the Netherlands/Germany and passanger travel because its the shortest distance to those places by sea. France is the nearest and cheapest route for international trade so we mainly use that one as it wouldn't be financially viable to depend more heavily on the others.

It works both ways too, its cheaper for European countries, including France, to use the shorter sea route at Dover to trade with the UK and Ireland. It would cost them a lot more too if we started using other ports so its not really in anyones best interest.

That being said, you are correct that no one here is starving because of this but having 20% of our trade shut off overnight does have an impact on economies on both sides of the Channel and peoples livlihoods, not to mention stranding hundreds of lorry drivers. Arguably the UK is worse off but I doubt its much fun for the French businesses that rely on trade with the UK either.
The economies of other countries have also been hit badly in response to Covid, not just us. The UK should definately be looking at other ways of trading longer term, however its not that easy to just build a new port somewhere, which would take years, or start relying on air freight which is also not financially viable either.

As it stands, the UK discovered the mutation before other countries because we have good genome tracing facilities. As does Denmark, where the strain has also been detected. The countries with good testing facilities have detected this mutation, the countries where it hasn't been detected are the ones with poorer genetic testing. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the mutation is probably widely spread across Europe, but its only the countries with the ability to detect it who are reporting it. I get that Macron needs to look like he's doing something to keep the virus at bay and people movement should be limited, but what France's action to shut the ports to freight does do is send a message to other countries that being upfront about detecting mutations with the rest of the world is likely to come with some negative consequences. Doesn't really encourage sharing of information between countries.

willsantausesantatize · 22/12/2020 20:25

@StormzyinaTCup

The lateral flow test is only 50% sensitive.

Well we can provide the lateral flow this side of the channel and if wants the PCR test done he can arrange for it to be done on their arrival in France. Does he not want the drivers home for Christmas or something. It's nothing but a tantrum.

Precisely. Even remainers have had enough of him now! Those poor drivers!
Jason118 · 22/12/2020 20:25

The situation is what happens when authoritarian regimes make decisions in a non consultative way as a populist justification to obfuscate their own many competency shortcomings. Any competent government would have consulted neighbouring countries prior to proclaiming their 'mutant zombie virus' to the world. Entirely predictable outcome which will be spun (as evidenced on this thread) as the fault of (insert foreign name here)