Kids more likely to get new strain...

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN28V2EV

Do you think this will mean school closures?

Lets look at this in a binary fashion.

Education is either important or its not.

If its important lets vaccinate those that keep schools open.

If its not then lets shut the schools down.

@20mum

I read that teachers are singularly less likely than others, including hospital staff, to get this infection, presumably because they work for years in a melting pot of infections. The teachers' immune systems are thought to be extremely well exercised, making them the equivalent of immunity-athletes.

And yet approx 3/4 of the staff at my primary school caught it, myself included. So did some of the children. And many of their parents.

This was despite the teaching staff socially distancing from one another, masks in corridors, outside and staff areas, staff room closed apart from to make a drink/access fridge, etc.

@Sixpencefaux

The key worker list now is so long that loads of children will be in school even if there is a lockdown.

When we left for Christmas the list was at about 100 kw pupils.

the place that we have made provision for will allow 150 pupils.

30 pupils per year group.

It is as many as we can fit in at one time.

@IloveJKRowling

Why is SAGE recommending children get vaccinated with a vaccine that has not been tested on children. I'm pretty sure the current vaccine was ONLY approved for use in adults.

That doesn't seem very scientific to me.

Some of the vaccines have been tested and trialled with children. The one currently being used hasn't I don't think but others have.

@Sixpencefaux

The key worker list now is so long that loads of children will be in school even if there is a lockdown.

And yet still so many are excluded.

Which vaccines have currently been trialed in children?

Moderne 12 plus iirc

Moderna

I don’t think it has? www.google.gr/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/health/Covid-Moderna-vaccine-children.amp.html

The application to the fda says it was trialed in over 18s

@DipSwimSwoosh

I am a teacher and I donwant testing, masks or a vaccination. The teenagers I teach are low risk, as am I, and have jumped through enough hoops already. Either have them in as normal or declare distance learning and do it properly. I can't be doing with rotas and tests and restrictions.

What about your more vulnerable staff?

Many teaching staff are clinically vulnerable (not cev) and are expected to be working as normal with NO mitigation to reduce their risk. Unsurprisingly some of those staff have since had covid and many have become very ill with it and/or have ongoing complications as a result of having had covid.

That says it will start soon on 2nd Dec. So maybe it is now?

So it may not be in FDA application.

Useful to know I had only picked up on 12+ thing on here.

The Oxford vaccine started to include children (5y+)in their trials after a while. I don't think this will be included in the initial approval though as it began later on in the system, so probably not yet completed. I think it was May time they were looking at getting that started.
The Pfeizer vaccine was looking to trial it in children (though that may have been over 12s at that time) from October.

The FDA application is the completed trial data they are only just now starting to recruit children for a further trial. They don’t have any data to apply for anything by and won’t for at least 3 or 4 months

No they won’t. Useful info

@MarshaBradyo @FrippEnos we have approx 900 in on the staggered return on the 4th out of approx 1500. Year 11, Year10 (both exam year groups) the vulnerable and key worker children takes us up to that many.

Do you think people will start being less cavalier about the risk of Covid if it is indeed demonstrated that this new strain could affect children more?

I don't intend to generalise, but I'm thinking about the 25-45 age bracket mostly. e.g. a couple going into a shop to get a takeaway coffee (with an in-your-face attitude, without masks on) with 3+ children under 10 all with scooters riding around the place causing havoc

I don't want to sound insensitive or to upset anyone. But there comes a point where one starts to think that carelesness and being selfish is what got us into the situation we are in now.

I know I'm massively stereotyping here, but I can't help feeling frustrated when I see behaviours like this

@trulydelicious

Do you think people will start being less cavalier about the risk of Covid if it is indeed demonstrated that this new strain could affect children more?

I don't intend to generalise, but I'm thinking about the 25-45 age bracket mostly. e.g. a couple going into a shop to get a takeaway coffee (with an in-your-face attitude, without masks on) with 3+ children under 10 all with scooters riding around the place causing havoc

I don't want to sound insensitive or to upset anyone. But there comes a point where one starts to think that carelesness and being selfish is what got us into the situation we are in now.

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@Feministicon

What's your take on this?

It depends on what you mean, the way I understand it the new strain is simply transmitted easily not that it makes children sicker than it once would have. Are you saying that people are allowing their children to scoot all over the shop because they don’t think they’ll die? The generalisation here makes me feel angry too.

@Feministicon

That's what it seems sometimes. Whether they are doing it consciously or unconsciously I don't know

I haven’t seen it at all

Do you have kids? What do you do with them all day?

I spent months in lockdown with my kids, dutifully walking round the block each day, not going to shops with them, keeping them cooped up and everyone I know was the same, it’s now Tier 4 and pissing down and to read this has really annoyed me, urgh.

It appears that some will only take notice and start acting responsibly when they think their nuclear family may be affected.

I'm in Tier 4 also and over the months I've seen a lot of people being careful and doing their bit but also some of these more unruly types.

In this example, surely the parent who was able to wear a mask should have gone into the shop and the other parent (who presumably was exempt) should have remained outside with the children (and scooters) so as not to put everyone at risk? But no, it seems it was too much of a bother for them

I sometimes wonder what it would take for some to start taking things seriously so that we can get out of this mess