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Kids more likely to get new strain...

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Ohbabybab · 21/12/2020 18:45

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN28V2EV

Do you think this will mean school closures?

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BungleandGeorge · 21/12/2020 23:46

Over 50s are on the current priority list

ItsIgginningtolookalotlikeXmas · 22/12/2020 00:28

That's true we are the last before the general population though. If I were the same age, same health and working from home I wouldn't consider myself to be in any urgent need of the vaccine. But I'm not.

20mum · 22/12/2020 00:28

No, it was a radio 4 breakdown of occupations. At first, it might be assumed nurses would be the group most likely to be repeatedly exposed to infection. But most of them, most of the time, are not working with infectious patients, and those who are, will be wearing ppe.

Teachers, on the other hand, are constantly exposed to children carrying all manner of infections and not particularly careful on hygeine. And teachers don't have ppe at work

ragged · 22/12/2020 01:47

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?

Kids more likely to get new strain...
Goingdooolally · 22/12/2020 01:54

@ragged

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?
But most pupils weren’t in schools in wave 1? Except key worker kids. So much more opportunity to space children out. Very few seniors. Is this comparable with the situation now?
PurpleFlower1983 · 22/12/2020 06:54

@ragged

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?
In wave 1 there were hardly any children in schools!
BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/12/2020 07:12

@ragged

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?
In normal school terms, there are 300 children at my kids small primary, plus 45 staff across all roles.

In Wave 1 they had 8 children plus 4 staff.

It's incomparable.

MarshaBradyo · 22/12/2020 07:14

@ragged

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?
Ragged what date is that? Looks like recent Nov one
Dontforgetyourbrolly · 22/12/2020 07:16

I dont understand why teachers and other key workers weren't offered the vaccine first .
They have kept our country going throughout all of this and should be able to continue to do so safely

Timeturnerplease · 22/12/2020 07:43

Our headteacher is currently planning for several different scenarios for our village primary in the South East, in anticipation of a last minute announcement. It’s taking so much time that us more experienced teachers are taking turns to cover Track and Trace duty for her.

Literally just one clue from the DFE as to where to focus our energies would be fab.

Kazzyhoward · 22/12/2020 08:55

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

I dont understand why teachers and other key workers weren't offered the vaccine first . They have kept our country going throughout all of this and should be able to continue to do so safely
Because the chances of younger/healthier people dying is very low. The chances of the older/extremely vulnerable people dying is very high.
Pomegranatespompom · 22/12/2020 08:58

The KW children attending were more likely to have virus exposure.

Kitcat122 · 22/12/2020 09:12

Even if KW children were more likely to to have it we had 8 max in two classes. We were outside lots of the time as weather was beautiful. Now we have 31 crammed in each class and impossible to SD. Big difference from wave 1.

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 22/12/2020 09:21

@ragged

Teachers had about the same risk as other 'professionals' which were near bottom of the ONS charts for cases in Wave 1, right?
It is fairly irrelevant what risk they have compared with other occupations. If we are going to reopen schools this winter we need to vaccinate school staff to prevent staff shortages. It is an important part of why we are vaccinating NHS staff and carers. Mass staff shortages and the whole system breaks down.

My husband is a older keyworker and been very exposed because of his job throughout. I would be amazing for him to have the vaccine but his absence wouldn't effect to many others. So not a priority.

I want schools open and don't consider my kids at danger from the virus but the constant worry of school closer does affect them. We are either going to keep schools closed for a few months or start vaccinating school staff.

It is a waste of vaccine potentially as chances are the teachers will not even know they have the virus etc. It could have gone to prevent deaths in the elderly and vulnerable. However we have a choice open and vaccinate or close schools for more stability (with all the disadvantages to some students and hardship to some parents).

Barbie222 · 22/12/2020 10:05

If we are going to reopen schools this winter we need to vaccinate school staff to prevent staff shortages.

The government won't care about staff shortages or temporary school closure. That's not their job to manage, as far as they're concerned, and they don't care about your mortgage or mental health. They are worried about children transmitting the disease to so many people that the health service and other essential services linked to public health eg utilities, refuse collection etc can't run. On this basis, I doubt teachers will be offered a vaccine unless it can be shown to stop transmission, which it doesn't.

sherrystrull · 22/12/2020 10:12

@Barbie222

If we are going to reopen schools this winter we need to vaccinate school staff to prevent staff shortages.

The government won't care about staff shortages or temporary school closure. That's not their job to manage, as far as they're concerned, and they don't care about your mortgage or mental health. They are worried about children transmitting the disease to so many people that the health service and other essential services linked to public health eg utilities, refuse collection etc can't run. On this basis, I doubt teachers will be offered a vaccine unless it can be shown to stop transmission, which it doesn't.

Surely that a contradiction. How can they simultaneously not care about staff shortages but be vaccinating to avoid staff shortages? If schools are closed due to staff shortages then bin men and nurses can't work. It's all linked.
Barbie222 · 22/12/2020 10:29

@sherrystrull because the vaccine does not stop transmission, and transmission is what they are concerned about.

If the government was at all concerned about schools closing because of staff shortages, we wouldn't have had the term we've just had. Some children ha e literally only had a few weeks in school.

Barbie222 · 22/12/2020 10:30

The problem reared its head in Hull a few weeks ago when the council actually said the bin men and nurses couldn't work, but the Government did nothing.

HostaFireAndIce · 22/12/2020 10:32

If only the vulnerable should get the vaccine, rather than those who are the most exposed to the virus, why are NHS workers getting it? You can't have it both ways.

Mumof3andlovingit · 22/12/2020 10:36

@HostaFireAndIce

If only the vulnerable should get the vaccine, rather than those who are the most exposed to the virus, why are NHS workers getting it? You can't have it both ways.
Very good point
EnPoinsettia · 22/12/2020 10:43

Reopening schools was always reckless. And insisting on no proper PPE or protective measures like screens. was a dereliction of the duty of care to both pupils and staff that borders on the criminally negligent.

Who’s have thought that dismissing and ignoring the risks to one section of the population based on data in a an emergent situation that was incomplete at best; could possibly lead to undoresewn bad consequences.

No foresight, no listening skills just callous arrogance and indifference.

cardibach · 22/12/2020 11:17

[quote Barbie222]@sherrystrull because the vaccine does not stop transmission, and transmission is what they are concerned about.

If the government was at all concerned about schools closing because of staff shortages, we wouldn't have had the term we've just had. Some children ha e literally only had a few weeks in school.[/quote]
People keep saying the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission. As far as I’m aware this isn’t true. What they have said is that they don’t have evidence that it does yet. Or that it doesn’t. Because it’s new. They except it to, though, as other vaccines do and there’s no reason it would be different.
Scientists though. They don’t just say stuff they can’t prove. Be more scientist.

noelgiraffe · 22/12/2020 11:20

People keep saying the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.

That would be the worst possible outcome of the available data and seems pretty unlikely.

Sixpencefaux · 22/12/2020 12:31

The key worker list now is so long that loads of children will be in school even if there is a lockdown.

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