Surely we’ll all be in full lockdown very soon?

[Browneyedgirl20]

With the recent travel bans and now freight banned from France, Hancock saying the new variant is ‘out of control’ etc - how long can it be until the whole UK is in lockdown? A few days maybe?

I think the whole of the UK will follow Scotland and shut all schools and school nurseries in January.

I just wish they would get on with it. We all know lockdown is coming - it must be. So why can’t they just stop faffing about for once and just announce what’s going to happen

I think they are stalling because there will be an outcry if schools close again.

Leave the shit news for after Christmas.
I predict an announcement on schools on the 26th or 27th.

I'm bracing myself for tighter restrictions by Boxing Day, was actually even a little surprised T4 everywhere wasn't brought in today. School's out till the 11th anyway so I suspect they won't hurry to decide or inform anyone of decision until 3rd/4th or even later. the absolute fuckwits because they don't want to be seen to make unpopular decisions unless they have to.

I’m in Cornwall in Tier One. At the last count we had something like 25 cases per 100,000 people. In many respects, it would be madness to put us into a lockdown, but I can see the logic of a national lockdown if one is needed.

@Ihatemyseleffordoingthis - schools are supposedly back in from 6th Jan here.

@Browneyedgirl20

I hope so it’s needed

I live and work in tier 2. I work in retail. I would say a v high percentage of customers have been from tier 4 since Sunday. I’ve also had a much tougher job than any other time getting people to wear masks and sanitise when entering and lots of attitude and claims of being exempt. I realise people have exemptions of course but I seriously doubt most of them were. It makes work more stressful as other customers complain and feel anxious.
We know tier 4 is coming, I wish they’d just get on with it.

The sooner the better I think. We're in tier 1 (Cornwall) but today I heard from a friend of four families she knows whose grown up children have arrived from tier 4 (since Saturday). We have been lucky so far but if these irresponsible people continue to think the rules don't apply to them we will be in very serious trouble by the new year.
It's horrible for us all but really, common sense should prevail.

And that was not meant to sound rude about exemptions at all. We have had exempt people since masks were required but these have been a different kettle of fish.

@icelollycraving I feel for all those working in retail and dealing with non mask wearing idiots. However WRT hand sanitiser, I sometimes politely decline and use my own because frankly the grotty bottle being touched by everyone ahead of me as they hold it and struggle with the dispenser just makes me shudder.

tryinghardnottocry agree with you. Schools HAVE to close. As I've said elsewhere, it's not just the fact of kids being in school, it's how they travel there. Secondary and college kids use public transport. My dd is 18 and at college - she takes a bus and a tram to get to college (we are in London) and both are packed with a combination of kids in education and pensioners! The journey is 45 mins. Her college has 8000 pupils. 8000 pupils probably using public transport twice a day. Isn't that just a HUGE amount of potential transmission of the virus?

Silver, I understand that entirely, some are grim!
Mine is more of a luxury product We have someone adding it to people’s hands when possible.
I carry mine around too.

Said this to my friends today (on WhatsApp not in person) when my phone sent me a news update stating "highest daily surge in cases since start of the pandemic"

A lockdown is inevitable.

@Ihatemyseleffordoingthis

I'm bracing myself for tighter restrictions by Boxing Day, was actually even a little surprised T4 everywhere wasn't brought in today. School's out till the 11th anyway so I suspect they won't hurry to decide or inform anyone of decision until 3rd/4th or even later. the absolute fuckwits because they don't want to be seen to make unpopular decisions unless they have to.

Schools back on the 4th for us. (South East - T4)

Primary aged for me. But I really do hope there's a delay in them going back. Even just a couple of weeks to deal with the inevitable post Christmas surge.

@icelollycraving

I live and work in tier 2. I work in retail. I would say a v high percentage of customers have been from tier 4 since Sunday. I’ve also had a much tougher job than any other time getting people to wear masks and sanitise when entering and lots of attitude and claims of being exempt. I realise people have exemptions of course but I seriously doubt most of them were. It makes work more stressful as other customers complain and feel anxious. We know tier 4 is coming, I wish they’d just get on with it.

It's quite annoying that there are enough Tier 4 dwellers who are completely selfish to put the rest of us into the same dire situation.

What's the point, people still not wearing a mask and people still getting in your space.
We are all doomed

I'm in London, already tier 4 - we were tier 2 around 10 days ago with everything open, I saw about 50 people drinking beer in the street at an open air Christmas bar, crammed together, no masks, no police or other intervention. It feels like it was inevitable that the virus would have a field day. The only option was to lockdown even though it completely breaks my heart to be locked up again. My daughter turned 18 in the middle of lockdown number 2. I lost my sister. My brother is frontline NHS and my mum is in a care home that has been locked down since March. I'm so done with it. I wish the government had put London in tier 3, not 2.

I am hoping they announce a national lockdown. I am in a tier 2 area in the South East, but we are surrounded on all sides by areas that have 400 + cases per 100,000. We have tier 4 areas within the same County. On Saturday our town was over run with people from tier 4. At the moment we have under 150 cases per 100,000.

You can not stop people from travelling into other areas with less restrictions. People want to shop, they want to eat out, they want to go to hairdressers, they want to go to the cinema, and nothing will stop them when they can get in their car or on a train. The movement of people can not be policed.

I went shopping for Christmas food yesterday. The shop was packed, no social distancing, people pushing into each other, and leaning over you to get to things on the shelf. They simply can't keep their distance and wait. Total selfishness, arrogance and entitlement. Such utter ignorance.

Only a National lockdown will stop the new variant spreading, but even that will only work if schools move to online for the majority. As for behaviour, if people can not behave in public banish them to their homes. I just don't care how bored Joe public is anymore as long as I don't have to encounter them, and their total ignorance and selfishness isn't putting other more vulnerable people at risk.

@LastChristmas20 - sorry I meant secondary schools; I think they will do anything possible to keep primary schools open.

At the very least if secondary were kept at home, that would cut out one massive transmission route from older siblings.

I'm exposed to about 40 /50 per day, dd at primary about 40, but secondary dd is in a bubble of about 200. That's just her bubble without thinking about their contacts so cutting that out would dramatically reduce our over all family exposure.

Don’t forget colleges! Millions of kids are in college. Dd’s inner city London college has 8000 students aged 16-18 mostly.

God I hope the dentists don’t close in January. I’ve been waiting for a specialist appointment for a tooth extraction for over a month and my tooth is killing me! The only thing making it manageable is knowing it’s going to be taken out soon! I think I’ll cry if the appointment is cancelled

How long can lockdowns feasibly go on for though? Endless locking down just isn’t practical

[quote Ihatemyseleffordoingthis]@LastChristmas20 - sorry I meant secondary schools; I think they will do anything possible to keep primary schools open.[/quote]
I thought perhaps but I still hope primary get a fortnight buffer from Christmas.

@Matchsticklady I don't think they'll close dentists again as they are so well kitted out in terms of PPE anyway, and shutting them causes problems for the future. You would still get emergency treatment as well even under stricter lockdown. They weren't closed in the last lockdown. I sympathise with you as I had to have emergency root canal in October when rates were rising, but it all turned out fine. Good luck.