Surely we’ll all be in full lockdown very soon?

[Browneyedgirl20]

With the recent travel bans and now freight banned from France, Hancock saying the new variant is ‘out of control’ etc - how long can it be until the whole UK is in lockdown? A few days maybe?

Tier 15 by Jan 9th.

Derbee no criticism as you are allowed to go to your parents if in Tiers 1,2 & 3.

But what do you consider isolating? I see this mentioned so many times, but I struggle to believe that so many people have not left the house/ garden since March.

You mention dropping off groceries. Are they delivered to you or do you get them from the supermarket?

Assuming you are in England of course. Still allowed in Scotland but not sure other nations.

I think a lockdown is needed- nation wide and not regional. A friend's daughter lives in Bristol where restrictions have eased up and they've gone to Tier 2 from 3- cases seem to have risen quite quickly again. I therefore feel it is inevitable that all regions of the UK will have to hunker down for a a few weeks.

I live in S. Wales- and have actually calculated that in total the area I live in has been in some sort of lockdown for 32 weeks this year. I don't feel 2021 will very much different, not until at least the summer. I pray I am wrong though.

@cologne4711

I totally understand why the Cornish pubs turning people away that have second homes there I very much doubt this, pub owners need every bit of business they can get.

That might be exactly WHY they’re only letting locals in, to try to keep the rates low in Cornwall so that they can stay open. If the rates increase too much in Cornwall they’ll be moved to a different tier and then there will be no indoor mixing of different households or worse they may be forced to close.

What exactly is the difference between tier 4 and a full lockdown?

In the first lockdown EVERYTHING was closed, including schools and cafes/restaurants even for takeaways.

Surely closing schools will have been what made the most difference? Maybe cages etc as well, although maybe to a lesser extent.

They can't move children up the vaccination list because it hasn't been tested on children. The whole point is to reduce community transmission with a vaccine to the point that it doesn't affect anyone.

I was just making the point that the locals in these beauty spots ( Cornwall etc) are happy to sell their homes for a profit to people from outside the area.

Of course we are. We sold our last place to a second home owner, pretty much double what we bought it for 2 years before and a dead easy sale. Why wouldn't we?

Certainly don't complain about them being here either.

If it's anything like the way he's told the schools things it'll be between 6pm-midnight on Christmas Eve.

@Wakeupin2022

Derbee no criticism as you are allowed to go to your parents if in Tiers 1,2 & 3.

But what do you consider isolating? I see this mentioned so many times, but I struggle to believe that so many people have not left the house/ garden since March.

You mention dropping off groceries. Are they delivered to you or do you get them from the supermarket?

I generally have groceries delivered. I’ve been to a supermarket about 10 times over the last year. We go out for walks etc in parks, but have not been meeting up with people even when allowed. I count that as isolating. I haven’t been “shielding” ie confined to my house and garden.

But what constitutes “isolating“ aside, I am not breaking any rules or guidance, and we are very low risk with hardly leaving the house/no contact with schools etc etc.

I have stuck to all the rules. But I WILL NOT cancel Christmas plans a couple of days before, just because someone in the government decided to change their minds about the guidance they issued a week ago.

"But I WILL NOT cancel Christmas plans a couple of days before, just because someone in the government decided to change their minds about the guidance they issued a week ago."

Things change, virus mutate, people revise their decisions- that's a global pandemic for you.

You are now a part of the problem- one of the people more important than 'the others' . I call your group 'the entitled'.

If you are so special, why are you even engaging with us?

Why not, plenty of other people have to, what makes you so special

Perhaps "plenty of other people" broke rules earlier in the year, or did things that were legal but inadvisable like going on overseas holidays or going to small parties inside. People will criticise others, but everyone's situation and risk profile is different.

It's easy to be sanctimonious when you live in tier 1-3 and can still have family over for Christmas because they live locally. So don't then have a go at others who bend the rules or find a loophole so they can also see their families.

I have to say - I don't have that feeling of all in this together.

Is my need to see my family less because my household can't isolate?

I haven't seen mine for months - can some of the entitled say the same.

Actually it's not changed my plans anyway. We decided months ago the risks were too great for us.

But it does really grate when others think they are special because they are in a very privileged position.

@IntermittentParps

What exactly is the difference between tier 4 and a full lockdown?

In the first lockdown EVERYTHING was closed, including schools and cafes/restaurants even for takeaways.

Surely closing schools will have been what made the most difference? Maybe cages etc as well, although maybe to a lesser extent.

The takeaway thing was by choice - a lot shut, possibly because it was only a 3 a three week shutdown, a lot around where I live started reopening after the third time it was extended.

I remember talking to a guy who runs a little cafe as he opened for takeaway, probably some time in May and he said he had to reopen as the bills still kept coming despite the fist shaking and Latin quotes from the PM

Bushola, yes, I agree it was by choice. In my area every cafe etc shut at the start of the first lockdown, but they gradually reopened as they figured out how to set up the spaces for distancing/serving outside etc. I've kept going to local cafes etc as much as possible; most in my neighbourhood are small indies run by a family or a couple of friends and, just like your guy, still have to pay the bills., so I try to support them as much as I can as I'm lucky and have not stopped working or lost income.
Of course it's always in the back of my mind that on the other hand we could be spreading Covid between us and the staff might not like working with the public in a pandemic. I feel very conflicted about it actually.

Some pretty selfish entitled and short sighted attitudes. Lots of people thinking their excess trumps others lives.

Two people in local M+S in front of me not wearing masks because they're uncomfortable, were very proud to have thought to travel from tier four to a tier two because the cafes were open and shopping would be nicer. Beggars belief.

Managing it until vaccine and natural immunity kicks in is probably the one way out of this now

Well yes, but natural immunity isn't going to happen while the otherwise healthy are kept away from each other

BTW is anyone going to address the point about what happens if the vaccines don't prove a "magic bullet" lots are hoping for? In the summer many said that if they're not we'll just have to learn to live with it ... any advance on that?

I think something will happen to stop mixing at New Years

@EvilPea

I think something will happen to stop mixing at New Years

Absolute madness if it doesn’t.

The govt haven’t just “decided to change their minds”. The infection rate has exploded in the last week and they would be wrong not to react to that and change advice

still dropping here, but no matter, if Londons fucked we all suffer, eh?

When our rates were high it was just us suffering, every fucker else was alright to continue as they were.

Tier 3 accents is cracking me up. Talk about divisive bollocks!

What if you live in Liverpool but don't sound like you're from Liverpool. Do you have to prove you've watched the full box set of Bread before you can get into Nandos?