BBC news...Matt Hancock says tier 4 could last for months due to this new strain

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He must be joking.

Months of this there will be no businesses left

FishyDog

I can't make out if you are just trying to wind people up or are just bonkers.

The welsh health minister has told LBC’s Swarbrick on Sunday the coronavirus situation in Wales is “above the reasonable worst case scenario”, with “really difficult days ahead”.

Field hospitals are taking patients in multiple areas of Wales, Vaughan Gething told LBC, with the army helping in some areas

Anyone swearing and insulting the welsh leaders ?

In Wales, yes, @Unsure33
I’m not sure it’s justified though. They have acted more quickly than Johnson, and communicated more clearly. The firebreak got numbers really low, but it rocketed straight after - apparently as a result of this mutation, but also because of one of their errors. There should have been more controls as we came out of the firebreak. They are also sharing the selective blindness with regard to transmission in schools. On the whole, though, they’ve done a good job.

I'd like to see a proper lockdown implemented until the end of January at least-one hourof outdoor exercise per day (not endless gallivanting and going out for unnecessary reasons), one shopping tripper week(for essential food and medicine only, not wine and gin) and £100 rewards for neighbours who report people out for too long or too often.

Oh for FUCK sake. Take your fucking Stasi ideals and shove them where the sun doesnt shine

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Overpopulation and an aging population have not helped at all

I take your point, and while there's been a lot of talk about "major resets" economically, I've sometimes wondered if this isn't nature's way of addressing the above

Nobody wants to see deaths, especially when they come too close to home, but in a situation where we have limited control maybe it's time to realise that we can't save everyone, all the time, from everything?

I agree.

I think it's been clear for a long time, new strain knowledge or no, that the Christmas mixing idea was bonkers. When you're asking people to make difficult and divisive decisions (like not getting together with family at Xmas when some will want to and others won't), the you need to provide more direction than a vague 'tone it down'. That doesn't make the public lemmings nor does it mean I want to live in a dictatorship. There is a gulf between competent democratic decisive leadership and a dictatorship

I'd like to see a proper lockdown implemented until the end of January at least-one hourof outdoor exercise per day (not endless gallivanting and going out for unnecessary reasons), one shopping tripper week(for essential food and medicine only, not wine and gin) and £100 rewards for neighbours who report people out for too long or too often.

First of all going for a 1.5hr walk or run or 2 hour cycle, alone (for a reasonably fit person)is not going to make cases wildly spiral out of control, and going for a run or walk is not really endless gallivanting!
What happens after 1 hr? Why is that more dangerous?
Obvious I dont think people should be putting themselves at unnecessary risk or running ultra marathons but this is made-up BS that over zealous (and probably unfit) people started making up in March. There would be nothing inherently safer in a 59 minute run than in a 1 hr 02 minute run!
And the shop once a week thing - more made up BS. We tried to shop once a week during the first lock down, but we have the privilege of a car (and cats btw ) and a freezer, and space to store a weeks worth of food. If you had a family of 5 that didnt have a car, for example , bearing in mind people are encouraged to shop alone, how would you carry a weeks worth of shopping? They might not be able to get an online shopping slot. Are they meant to ration food because they cant go to the supermarket for another 4 days?
You're not the person who suggested putting grated cheese in coffee instead of "gallivanting" to the corner shop to get a pint of milk?

Yea it probably is the person who suggested cheese in coffee

If they were aware of this ‘new’ strain back in Sep, was there a huge rise in deaths at that time from people who passed away with a SARS Cov 2 positive result?

6th May 2020 - Matt Hancock always warned that “a vaccine may never come”. Thanks for that Matt. Well, guess what it has. 4 fold actually. As of today 67k people are deceased in the UK but x 3 times more 180k have received a vaccine. We ARE winning folks and just need to sit tight and let the NHS focus on vaccines not mopping up cases.

@Unsure33

The welsh health minister has told LBC’s Swarbrick on Sunday the coronavirus situation in Wales is “above the reasonable worst case scenario”, with “really difficult days ahead”.

Field hospitals are taking patients in multiple areas of Wales, Vaughan Gething told LBC, with the army helping in some areas

Anyone swearing and insulting the welsh leaders ?

Drakeford does get a lot of hate, memes of him as Hitler etc.

Months? then say goodbye to the economy and hello to a mental health crisis and riots on the streets...He has 2 months at the most to get the vaccine roll out or he will be out of the job.

Sounds like fun, with the almost forgotten about crashing out of the EU too. 👍👍

It genuinely horrifies me to read that people actively want financial rewards to be dished out for snitching on your neighbours.

Please, just move to north korea. You will love it.

Apologies for my French in advance but WHY the fucking fuck should London get the vaccine first?! Do people saying this realise that Leicester has been in almost a permanent lockdown since March? That Manchester has been in for months and here in Birmingham we haven't been able to have anyone in our homes or meet anyone indoors for Birmingham for months either?!

This kind of London centric bollocks is just unreal. Up until last week Londoners had been in tier 2 and had been able to do whatever. As soon as they went into tier 4 thousands of them got on packed trains and in their cars to spread this new strain to the rest of us.

They can get to fuck.

@FishyDog

Frankly this isn't about who has a freezer. We all have to make sacrifices in order to save lives- life will need to change permanently because of this virus.

We will all need to start showing more responsibility to others. There will be no more large events, no more large gatherings. Zoom will replace large Christmas dinners with family.

The same people who 'need to' go shopping every day will be the same ones proclaiming their right to go to concerts in future is more important than saving lives

I honestly find these views concerning, that anyone would consider such far reaching infringements on our freedom on a permanent basis.

Freedom is hard won and soon lost.

Zoom to “replace” seeing family at Christmas, permanently. Honestly, I’ve heard it all now.

*Here's an idea, you STAY THE FUCK AT HOME clutching your pearls, tutting disapprovingly to your DH and peering round your ghastly net curtains for the rest of your life.

I'll be going out plenty of times over the next few weeks. Some lovely walks with friends and family, a mulled wine in the park, picnics.*

I feel,the need to tell you all that my husband and I went out for a nice walk along the coastal,path and ended up in a pub where we had a couple of mulled wines and a roast dinner.

Children in Spain were not allowed to leave the house for two months.
And as well as being cruel it was completely ineffective. Argentina had similarly draconian lockdown and fared worse than neighbouring Bolivia where the leader did nothing as he had a fake ‘cure ‘ to sell!

@LeaveMyDamnJam

The furlong scheme has been extended to April. That told me when they believed things would start to improve.

Or that they’re planning for the possibility of problems with the vaccine - like an decent government would do.

I feel,the need to tell you all that my husband and I went out for a nice walk along the coastal,path and ended up in a pub where we had a couple of mulled wines and a roast dinner

GASP! Clutches pearls. Dont you realise you're KILLING GRANNY!

Sarcasm alert.

Well done. I hope you enjoyed it.

@FractionalGains

It wasn’t . I wanted to know source of OP re MHancock saying this

Ok I’ve found a sort of cover of context:

Tier 4 restrictions may be in place for a “couple of months”, the Health Secretary has said, because keeping the new coronavirus variant under control until the vaccine is rolled out will be “very difficult”.

In England, Boris Johnson effectively cancelled Christmas for almost 18 million people in London, south-eastern and eastern England as the region was put into a new two-week lockdown from Sunday.

Matt Hancock said infections in the areas placed under Tier 4 have “absolutely rocketed in the last few days”.

"Essentially we have got to get that vaccine rolled out to keep people safe. Given how much faster this new variant spreads it is going to be very difficult to keep it under control until we have the vaccine rolled out,” he told Sky News's Sophy Ridge On Sunday programme.

Mr Hancock added that people can catch the new variant more easily from a “small amount” of the virus.

"It is an enormous challenge, until we can get the vaccine rolled out to protect people. This is what we face over the next couple of months,” he said.

I don’t think his words are equal to tier 4 for months? The challenge is what we face for months.

To me it’s the usual leap the press take. It may be the case but it wasn’t directly what he said.

@FassbendersWife

Remember that those vaccinating need to be vaccinated too – My dad (69 years old and a retired GP) has offered to do some vaccinations. Those who offered him the role said they would like him to start on the 4th of January. When he asked him about his own vaccination, prior to giving it to others, they had no plans, like they hadn't even thought about it! It's a complete shambles.

Really?

Because it’s quite clear * Practices will be able to vaccinate their own staff and be paid for doing so*

@MarshaBradyo

To me it’s the usual leap the press take. It may be the case but it wasn’t directly what he said.

The press take the leap

But then posters don’t actually read the detail and instead start up speculative and misleading threads