BBC news...Matt Hancock says tier 4 could last for months due to this new strain

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He must be joking.

Months of this there will be no businesses left

Xmas 2014 - two mini vibrating penises on wheels.

Xmas 2019 - Secret Santa rules were £5 min and £10 Max. I knew the person I got loved chocolate so I spend the higher end and bought them a massive Thornton’s chocolate star. I don’t know who had me, but it was cheap body wash from a charity shop.

@Theotherrudolph

I particularly liked Robert Peston on Twitter pointing that out and calling for acceleration of the vaccine program. If it was that simple it would be done. It isn’t. It’s obvious this will last probably until at least April, and I expect more areas to fall into tier 4 shortly after Christmas. I’m braced for school closures as well, although I want to see every other thing done first. Unless we want the nhs to entirely disintegrate, which involves potentially you or your relative not being treated for anything (not just covid) what is the alternative?

I do wonder if it will change the vaccine priority list though and if there will be arguments for giving it regionally, prioritising key workers over the elderly etc.

I work in a primary school and caught COVID-19 from one of the students....the myth that it can’t be caught in schools needs dispelling. I don’t see an end to this at all with schools open, though I don’t see that as a good solution either.

In Leicester we have had no mixing since the end of March. Three periods of non essential retail closed and no restaurants or pubs open since end of March.

It's now a way of life, to which I see no end until hopefully a vaccination is available for most of us.

I've every sympathy with those in T4 struggling but also wonder if they realise how hard some of he rest of their own nation have had it.

You have the home schooling option, jist like everyone else in the country. Take them off roll and home educate. Done.

Festivemovie - I agree with you. I am a senior of 72. I’d willingly give my dose to someone who needs to work. It’s easier for me to isolate with my husband and I have a pension. I think the vaccinations should be given to the working population first. They are the ones with the most commitments and often young families and we also need to keep the economy running. There is more I could say but I won’t as my comments would likely been seen as unacceptable.

I agree with you. I am a senior of 72. I’d willingly give my dose to someone who needs to work. It’s easier for me to isolate with my husband and I have a pension

I agree you shouldn't have it. However for the people who have been trapped in care homes for the best part of a year, unable to see their families and friends, they absolutely should be prioritised to have it.

I agree you shouldn't have it. However for the people who have been trapped in care homes for the best part of a year, unable to see their families and friends, they absolutely should be prioritised to have it. They were supposed to be the priority, I have a relative in late 80s in a care home. Home had it all arranged for jabs last week, been told they can't do it and it will be at least a month before it can be rearranged. So my relative is a double priority, over 80 and in a care home but definitely not being a priority.

@DownstairsMixUp but that argument doesn't stack up- unless you literally refuse to admit people with Covid into hospital you still can't treat people with cancer?

Surely you can't be suggesting leaving them to suffer and die a painful death without medical care?

The only way to keep other types of medical care available is not to overwhelm the NHS with Covid patients. Or have you thought of some other way to keep capacity available without leaving Covid patients to suffer without care?

@Festivemovie

People are dyeing in this country from a lot more than covid. We are tearing this country limb from limb to save the elderly infirm and those with previous health conditions. I Know its controversial to say but we seem more hell bent on saving the lives of 99 year old people who may catch covid than 30 year olds with cancer. Will anyone in hospitality or retail even have a job no one seems to understand that covid is not the number one killer in this country !

Agreed. How long should a young person sacrifice their precious childhood or education for someone at the end of their years. I'd accept my fate if I was elderly with Covid.

Agreed. How long should a young person sacrifice their precious childhood or education for someone at the end of their years. I'd accept my fate if I was elderly with Covid. How about someone I know, in his 30s, profoundly disabled after an accident. Needs carers to get him out of bed, into bed, to wash and dress him, feed him. Several carers a day. Should we just leave him to die. He might have 60s years left so not exactly at the end of his years.

@ancientgran

Agreed. How long should a young person sacrifice their precious childhood or education for someone at the end of their years. I'd accept my fate if I was elderly with Covid. How about someone I know, in his 30s, profoundly disabled after an accident. Needs carers to get him out of bed, into bed, to wash and dress him, feed him. Several carers a day. Should we just leave him to die. He might have 60s years left so not exactly at the end of his years.

He's not at the end of his years though if he's in his 30s. Someone living past the life expectancy age is. Dogs are put to sleep to stop their suffering when they are old and incontinent. A human being is basically left to rot in an old peoples home.

“Once international travel starts up again, you could allievate the misery you'll feel at being unable to tell people to 'stay the fuck at home' by booking a (one way) flight to North Korea?”

😂😂😂

Some people just can’t wait to snitch on their neighbours.

When did we stop living in a democracy? Who consented to being locked down like this?

If they seriously try and lock everyone down until April there will surely be mass riots.

Let’s be honest, MN is a pretty middle class place. Many of the “stay at home” brigade on here probably have cushy work from home jobs and decent sized houses. Lockdowns are not created equal.

pennylane83 You’ve nailed it

He's not at the end of his years though if he's in his 30s. Someone living past the life expectancy age is. Dogs are put to sleep to stop their suffering when they are old and incontinent. A human being is basically left to rot in an old peoples home. According to some on MN he isn't a priority as he isn't working, he's dependent. So like old people he is worthless.

I can't believe what I read on here sometimes. Young people who have a very small chance of dying wanting the vaccine before the vulnerable who have a high chance of dying. In a few months everyone will get it, how many thousand old and vulnerable people should die so that the young and healthy can avoid a few months risk on an illness when it is reported that up to 80% of them won't even know they had it.

@Elephant4

What a dick head MH is. The whole government is full of them. Glorious dick heads. Patriotic dick heads. Enormous dick heads. The lot of them.

100% agree with this.

I think they are playing up the situation to distract from the sh#*show that is their Brexit disaster!
No, I am not a covid denier and think we should all do what we can to support the NHS by not being stupid , but they are definitely making the most of the situation to benefit them and their cronies!

@SansaSnark

Actually, if we look at cancer, it kills about 165,000 people a year in the UK. That's all cancers added together. Coronavirus has caused about 67,000 deaths.

We spend a lot of money on treating, researching and preventing cancer but each cancer may require a different strategy. And it isn't directly transmissible.

If we don't get coronavirus under control then we could easily see more people dying of it compared to cancer in a one year period.

Does that figure include the more than 5000 deaths that were wiped from the tally in the summer, because they were counted as "Covid" deaths if the person had died of literally any cause at any time after testing positive for the virus? See www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711

^In England, there was no time limit. Someone who recovered from Covid-19 in March and died in a car crash in July would have been counted as a coronavirus death.

Now the UK's four chief medical officers have decided to use a single, consistent measure and publish the number of deaths that occurred within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test confirmed in a lab, every day.^

Just to be clear: if I tested positive tomorrow and then died in a car crash 27 days later, I would be counted as a "Covid" death.

One documented case of this: cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report

This is just one example of the outrageous lies and misinformation that have been peddled to the public to create and maintain this level of hysteria. How many people are aware that this is the official definition of a "Covid death"? How many people do some research of their own and seek out the hard facts?

This is just one example of the outrageous lies and misinformation that have been peddled to the public to create and maintain this level of hysteria. How many people are aware that this is the official definition of a "Covid death"? How many people do some research of their own and seek out the hard facts?

What measure do you suggest we use for Covid deaths, in your expert opinion? We don't have the resources to autopsy every death.

There has never been any concealment of what the Covid death stats mean. There was a lot of media discussion about this issue in the spring, particularly with reference to international comparisons, and we have always tracked excess deaths as well, to triangulate the data.

Just because you weren't paying attention does not mean the Government & media are conspiring against you.

• Does that figure include the more than 5000 deaths that were wiped from the tally in the summer, because they were counted as "Covid" deaths if the person had died of literally any cause at any time after testing positive for the virus? See www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711*

You know that over half of those 5000 actually did die from covid and had it listed as a cause on their death certificate.

We’ve undercounted covid deaths by far more than we overcounted them. Not least because of lack of testing.

@bumbleymummy They aren't saying its more dangerous. They are saying its 70% more contagious.

Meaning it spreads quicker and even easier to catch than the original strain. A bad gremlin to an even badder one

Why does everyone one on here think logically ,would you rather not have a life at all ,what about if you had to live through ww1 or ww2 if most of you had of done what was asked of you in the first place ,well who knows ,I think most of you are hpocrites ,you act like boohoo how can the government do this, it's a matter of life or death grow the ffk up ,Christmas is another day surly you don't need one day to see your family what about the other 364 days of the year , grow the f..c up ... you selfish people . It's just what I think ,you are all for me me me .

Are you saying that elderly people aren’t precious or important or have a place in our society? Sure as hell sounds like a hideous things to say. Very Logan’s run.

Regarding the "misinformation" on Covid deaths it also needs to be taken into account that many are contracting sepsis as a further complication of Covid19.

You cannot catch sepsis (NOT septicemia) It happens because of the body overreaction to the initial illness. In this case Covid19. Basically the body goes into overdrive and turns on itself. Without Covid19 they wouldn't have contracted sepsis.

It is very common occurrence. Sepsis in the U.K alone causes 55 thousand deaths a year and there is a quarter of million cases per year too.

Those who live: 99% are left with life changing health issues, including loss of limbs, blindness at the most severe and more.

I've lost and known 4 people in the last 2 years to sepsis. My husband waa the first 3 years ago. A dear friend to Covid/Sepsis kicking in in February, my ex DiL Dad and another friend partner

Think about the sacrifices people have made in the past .. for you .... yes you ....or you wouldn't be in the world you are today ,do the right thing and pull together instead of people saying well it won't hurt if I just do this or this is not breaking the rules I'm not saying it's all people but a good majority , I hate humans sometimes they are all about themselves and pretend they are for all of us.