Idiots piling onto packed trains out of London

[User158340]

By doing this they're putting whatever family or friends they're staying with at huge risk, not to mention the wider communities.

Also, the mindset of "it's within the rules because it's not midnight yet". It's not within the rules to breach social distancing. For goodness sake the trains are still running tomorrow so if you're going to break or bend the rules do it then when you won't be stood on a carriage with scores of other people.

That tweet is infuriating. "I'm being irresponsible but wah my mum's lonely" well fuck you, lady, My mum has been alone the whole time and barely seen anyone. And she will remain alone until it's safe for her to see us. But you irresponsible fuckers are prolonging this.

Absoloute fuckers.

People with second homes did the same thing. I’d have been surprised if it didn’t happen.

People have had to make sacrifices all year. Since March I have seen my parents three times in their garden due to my mum and dad being vulnerable(dad undergoing chemo delayed due to Covid). When a couple of hundred people (mainly students ) partied for 10 minutes before we were the only city to initially enter tier3 (Liverpool) the abuse on mumsnet was absolutely shocking. In contrast Londoners have been told to stay in their own households and not travel and there is an outcry about how inhumane it is. We have been living this for months and other areas have had it far worse in that they have not seen restrictions lifted as we luckily have. I loathe Boris Johnson with a passion but truly believe he absolutely would not have done this if there was any other choice. Everyone who travels out of London tonight does so knowing they may pass a more virulent version of this disease throughout the country. They can then return to the better funded and resourced Southern NHS system but where does that leave the rest of us ?

Do you live on your own OP? Or do you have a nice little family of 4 or 5 who you were going to spend Christmas with anyway?

I have the Waterloo to Reading line passing the bottom of the garden and I have not seen a single soul on any train since March.

@BlueBrian

People in northern cities should tell these southern plague carriers they're not wanted, and tell them to fuck off back down south.

ODFOD

Nothing has been learned in the last nine months - this is the exact same mistake Italy made when they locked down the badly hit Northern region.

It's easy to be sweary and virtuous when you have at least one other person in your household. It's even easier if you have a family or support bubble and aren't in tier 4.

It’s the last weekend before Christmas. People come to London to shop and socialise. Then they go home. They weren't supposed to were they, it was already tier 3.

Can't people just change their plans. My DD was due home on Wednesday, when Boris made his announcement she rushed out to get some food before he finished speaking and is staying where she is. She doesn't want to put us at risk.

I think the mainline trains are reservation only so the trains won’t be packed

@ichundich

Do you live on your own OP? Or do you have a nice little family of 4 or 5 who you were going to spend Christmas with anyway?

I'm isolating for two weeks before the 25th so I can see my Mum. on Christmas Day (tier 3).

I'm fortunate enough to WFH to enable me to do that, but I would not be diving off a packed train to see relatives and put them at risk.

I'm sure there are a few second homers on their way down here as we speak.

Imaging you're early 20s, been living in London alone all through lockdown. Your one light at the end of the tunnel was seeing family at Christmas.

If you can afford to live in London alone in your early 20's you are minted. Other than that, Christmas day spent in your jimjams eating takeaway and watching crap telly versus travelling in a human soup to eat a roast dinner with people who you moved 200 miles away from given the first opportunity

This is a new strain we don’t know if having had the old version guarantees immunity

@Pleasedontleave123

In that case, we are all screwed.

Or perhaps we at this point need to get on with our lives and accept that some people will become ill, and some will die (I say this as someone with compromised immunity who has lost everything as a result of lockdowns, so I don't have much reason to give a shit any more).

@Hercwasonasnowball

It's easy to be sweary and virtuous when you have at least one other person in your household. It's even easier if you have a family or support bubble and aren't in tier 4.

Quite.

Good for you, OP, good for you. I'm glad you can feel so nice and smug. I'm also really glad you don't face Christmas alone. A lot of people do. If I was faced with Christmas alone or a packed train, I'd choose the train every time.

Ah yes, funnily enough the OP won’t be alone on Christmas Day.

@User158340 I agree- Liverpool was absolutely villified- a lot of the partying were students from other places too but now that Londoners/southerners are acting irresponsibly and selfishly it's ok and actually not news..... the north south divide is alive and well. Stay in London.

What about people whose support bubble is outside London? Seeing them is allowed even after tomorrow. Yes, overcrowding trains is stupid. But people are not necessarily acting outside their rights/the rules.

Am i missing something? If people are travelling out of London to return home, then would that not be classed as essential travel and therefore permitted, within the guidelines? so whats the rush? why put yourself and others at risk?

Also, if you are single person living in London (or elsewhere in England) then its permitted for you to form a support bubble with whoever you choose, regardless of tiers. Travelling out of London under those circumstance is again permitted. If youre a tier 4 family travelling out of your tier to a visit a single adult household as a support bubble again its permitted.

I wonder why Clugston tweeted that. She's getting heavy criticism for it.

Student DD came back from London today. She booked the tickets ages ago.

Today I drive into Islington from Herts to collect my student daughter from her private accommodation. I couldn't have done this during the student "window" because my primary child had to isolate for a fortnight and I am supposed to be shielding as I am undergoing breast cancer treatment. I am not honestly sure what else I could have done? DD hasn't gone anywhere as she knows how much of a risk it is for me. People will try to get home. Nobody knows circumstances. Having this new regime dumped on everybody a few days before Christmas was always going to have this impact

OP, have a think, this was always going to happen today regardless of the earlier announcement.

I was at Kings Cross earlier in the week and it was pretty bloody busy with suitcases.

Many people finished work for Christmas yesterday, and as lone people are allowed, even under the new restrictions to travel to family to be in their bubble, even from tier 4.

This all fits in with the rules, blame the government for allowing support bubbles if you really have an issue.

If you can afford to live in London alone in your early 20's you are minted.

Money doesn't buy happiness, family or good mental health.

Other than that, Christmas day spent in your jimjams eating takeaway and watching crap telly
Probably what you've done every other day of 2020 since March, apart from on a laptop.

versus travelling in a human soup to eat a roast dinner with people who you moved 200 miles away from given the first opportunity

Or left to get a job where there was one.

@PhilCornwall1

I'm sure there are a few second homers on their way down here as we speak.

Would be interested in stats on this

I reckon a high proportion of second homers will have legged it