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Quick poll: who intends to continue with Xmas plans in tier 4?

480 replies

Missmidden · 19/12/2020 17:46

To help with my discussions with family who were due to come entirely within the rules as they were pre 4pm!

Genuinely in a total quandary as to what to say- all low risk people but it’s our decision as our house. If I thought that a big chunk of the affected population would “rebel” or that everyone else was towing the line that might help, so thanks in advance.

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Cornettoninja · 19/12/2020 21:49

Regarding hospitals - at the moment it isn’t just bed occupancy that needs to be taken into consideration. There are significant numbers of staff with covid infections or isolating in some areas. A patient can’t be admitted to a bed that has no staff to tend to them, it doesn’t matter how many wards or nightingales are opened.

I work in a non-clinical role with a specialist team. Two of the five consultants are confirmed covid and both nurses are isolating. They’ve not been assigned to covid or emergency care yet but this is replicated throughout the hospital. It’s probably best not to think to hard about that but it’s not a good situation.

fruitandflowers · 19/12/2020 21:53

I’m 100% breaking the rules. 3 families, no one over 55, everyone wfh, all food etc being ordered online so we really won’t see anyone, we’ve all done PCR tests today and won’t meet until we’ve got the results, and we’ll all stay home until 7 January to make sure we’re sufficiently quarantined post Christmas. Don’t give a flying fuck what the rules are, we will be mingling over the next week and that’s the end of it.

Totally understand if you’ve got older folk you’d stay away (neither of our parents/ILs are coming) but I am long past the stage of denying my kids some time with their cousins. Unrepentant.

PimlicoJo · 19/12/2020 21:56

Tier 4. All plans cancelled. Feeling slightly stunned but I've heard of several positive cases in the last few days so I think it's the right thing to happen.

Bollss · 19/12/2020 21:57

I would simply say, because I love you, I won't be with you in person this year.

Yeah, that'll really work for someone who is suicidal won't it? Fuck me.

Remmy123 · 19/12/2020 21:58

Seeing my mum and brother - both live alone

Petronius16 · 19/12/2020 22:00

Repeating what I posted earlier, which could be interpreted as we wouldn’t be waiting long for restrictions to be over.

“virtual normality” by November, “hopefully in time for Christmas”. Over by Christmas, July statement by PM.

Mooballs · 19/12/2020 22:15

@Missmidden

To help with my discussions with family who were due to come entirely within the rules as they were pre 4pm!

Genuinely in a total quandary as to what to say- all low risk people but it’s our decision as our house. If I thought that a big chunk of the affected population would “rebel” or that everyone else was towing the line that might help, so thanks in advance.

It's not optional you stupid woman.
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Missmidden · 19/12/2020 22:26

I wasn’t aware we lived in a dictatorship,Mooballs

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LaceyBetty · 19/12/2020 22:27

@fruitandflowers

I’m 100% breaking the rules. 3 families, no one over 55, everyone wfh, all food etc being ordered online so we really won’t see anyone, we’ve all done PCR tests today and won’t meet until we’ve got the results, and we’ll all stay home until 7 January to make sure we’re sufficiently quarantined post Christmas. Don’t give a flying fuck what the rules are, we will be mingling over the next week and that’s the end of it.

Totally understand if you’ve got older folk you’d stay away (neither of our parents/ILs are coming) but I am long past the stage of denying my kids some time with their cousins. Unrepentant.

Really sad to read this actually.
Cornettoninja · 19/12/2020 22:30

@Petronius16

From his official July statement “But I have also consistently warned that this virus could come back and that we would not hesitate to take swift and decisive action as required”

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19-31-july-2020

I’m not completely disagreeing with you here but I think it’s possible you’re angry about the wrong thing. This government rules by soundbites, confident that most people don’t look too hard to see past an optimistic headline, and use it (imho) almost perversely to further their own popularity.

Maybe I’m wrong about the gaslighting (apologies @TrustTheGeneGenie) because they’re so confident the media headlines will do their work for them whilst they can still point to the stuff that didn’t make it to a title and cover their arses.

It’s a pretty genius way of making sure everyone hears what they wants to... we’re all being played here politically.

If they’re making a decision that makes them overtly unpopular then I’d take that as a pretty good sign it’s something that needs to happen.

TheSunIsStillShining · 19/12/2020 22:37

I wish people would stop with the dictatorship stuff....
It's a pandemic. With a virus that is highly transmissible and likes to jump from person to person. (and mink)
It's not dictatorship if someone says: don't mingle with other people.
It's called common sense.

A society is not only about individuals, but the entity that is the society. The greater good expression came into existence for a reason.

When would it be a dictatorship: if you had to wear a bloody ankle tag and if you went outside X area you'd get a jolt.
Or police arresting you on the street if you don't have some paper.
Or being taken away for spouting lies/half truths.

The country where you can be an idiot and criticize the gov or anyone online, in the papers, on tv without any consequence is not a dictatorship!

Benjispruce2 · 19/12/2020 22:44

Disappointed to read so many putting their wants above others. I don’t understand why you would put loved ones at risk. It’s just a day. I’ve changed my plans, I’m disappointed but I was thinking I would anyway as 5 days of mixing was always excessive to my mind, especially when we’re so close to turning things round with the vaccines. The sooner we reduce numbers of cases and carry in vaccination, the sooner normality will return.

boon · 19/12/2020 23:12

My DPs family are all in Tier 4 and have cancelled all their xmas plans and following the rules.

Greyhair59 · 19/12/2020 23:26

Plan to continue seeing 2 other families on 2 separate occasions. None of us are seeing our elderly parents and several have already had covid.

NameChangeSanta · 19/12/2020 23:29

You obviously don't know anyone who's had serious Covid-19.

DirtyDancing · 19/12/2020 23:33

@Benjispruce2

Disappointed to read so many putting their wants above others. I don’t understand why you would put loved ones at risk. It’s just a day. I’ve changed my plans, I’m disappointed but I was thinking I would anyway as 5 days of mixing was always excessive to my mind, especially when we’re so close to turning things round with the vaccines. The sooner we reduce numbers of cases and carry in vaccination, the sooner normality will return.
I agree entirely. It makes no sense to me. It’s either selfish, shortsighted or stupid. Maybe all 3. It shows not only a disregard for NHS, society and their family, but also themselves. The longer we keep doing this; the longer it goes on for. The worse the impact will be on our health, the economy, education etc etc.

I know a someone personally, who picked it up in a park. The park for goodness sake. Last weekend. We are in London, so it’s the highly contagious mutant strain. She went without symptoms to visit friends. And so it goes on. It takes one person to get it causally in a shop/ park/ from unknown source and boom.. you all have it. Merry Christmas

treening · 19/12/2020 23:57

I know a someone personally, who picked it up in a park. The park for goodness sake

How do you know that is where they got it?

Murinae · 20/12/2020 01:03

We’ve isolated and taken tests so my Mum and her husband could come to us safely for Christmas under the old rules. Now cancelled everything as they have to drive from England to Wales to stay with us.

hettyhooverdoover · 20/12/2020 06:14

[quote flipapoo]@steppingcarefully my mum is completely alone though. Does that make me less selfish? It we all self isolate before & after it's not high risk is it?

The rules cannot be nuanced but individually there will be different risks. Would I consider seeing my mum if I had to travel & was working out of the home just before Christmas if I lived in Tier 2? no. [/quote]
If your mum is alone, you can still form a bubble with her. They said they dont want anyone at risk of loneliness to be on their own at Christmas! X

Justa47 · 20/12/2020 06:24

People need to follow the rules
I am sick of selfish people who don’t.
The compliance dropped significantly after D Cummings and Barnard Castle and has never recovered not matter what lockdown or tier.

It’s time to follow the rules. And stop blaming others. Look to your self!

Dongdingdong · 20/12/2020 06:30

I know a someone personally, who picked it up in a park. The park for goodness sake

Hmmmmm...

JacobReesMogadishu · 20/12/2020 07:06

I really hope all the people who are going to be breaking the rules weren’t out there clapping for the nhs earlier in the year. Bloody hypocrisy if you were! Nurses don’t want your fucking claps, they want people to protect the nhs and the nhs staff and follow the rules.

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 20/12/2020 07:15

We've cancelled our plans. Well changed them anyway. I'm still seeing my Mum as she's my support bubble.

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 20/12/2020 07:17

Trickyboy

other than that .. anger, loneliness, mental health issues .. don't cut it.. stick to the rules

That's easy to say if you aren't the one with mental health issues Angry

Matchsticklady · 20/12/2020 07:22

We've cancelled even though I'm really upset about it.
We've not been anywhere but outdoor walks for two weeks, and neither have my parents who are our support bubble as we have a DS under one.

So there is literally no new risk between us at all. None of us been at work, those of us who work work from home...

If the support bubbles were allowed to continue I'd still keep the plans, as DH and I could really do with a break and some extra hands with DS but apparently they're not and it wouldn't feel right.

It's going to give me the rage when there's pictures all over social media of people hugging loads of people over the whole christmas holiday etc. If you decide to break the rules, I do get it I really do, I may not agree with it but I get it, but don't bloody show off about it.