I'm fucking done

[Twizbe]

I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

Yes there are many things you can die from and if you suffer a heart attack it would be convenient if an ambulance is available. Why can’t people connect the dots? Are these the Brexiteers on the rampage again?

Think I'm going to spend Xmas with DappledOliveGroves

We are continually told “follow the rulez” and we will contain the virus and “Don’t blow it now” - maybe we need to accept it’s a virus and can’t be contained?

Then how would I deal with hospital admissions / deaths - accept some deaths are inevitable. Lock down the vulnerable and elderly (providing proper support) Tier 4 are full lockdown (and probably the entire country come January) so I don’t see how locking down just a proportion of society is any different. Sorry if 65 year olds are still working, it’s tough - WFH or be made redundant (like my DB and SIL) or furlough (like my DH) Cut isolation to 5 days (the majority show symptoms within 5 days) and get on with it, accepting spread is part of life.

The people asking for lockdown - will these be the same people complaining about income tax rises, public pay freezes, spending cuts, pension freezes, the total lack of future opportunities for our children (who have had their education curtailed but will be expected to shoulder the financial burden of this)

People are angry - no point just saying “keep complying”, cos we are dealing with human nature and sooner or later, that’s going to break

Don't admit over 80s to hospital and give palliative care to them at home

Dmil (95) is in a care home. All the residents had Covid back in early summer (1 death)

Why do you think the majority of over 80s should need more than palliative care. Most will survive. Dmil I think from the description by the care home had a slight temperature and a little cough that cleared up with in a couple of days.

Ds 18 when he got it couldn’t get out of bed or eat for nearly a week.

I'm not angry with the government for putting the restrictions in place - if it's needed, it's needed. But I'm furious with Boris for being so adamant that the Christmas rules wouldn't be tightened, and getting people's hopes up, and letting them book tickets and make arrangements, only to have it all snatched away at the last minute. Surely it would have been better, from a mental health point of view, for people to have had time to get used to the idea of not seeing family much earlier.

I would imagine that mental health helplines will be overwhelmed, given how difficult this time of year is for many people anyway. If you are right on the edge, and you've been hanging onto the hope of heading home to family for a couple of days, and now you're told you can't go because you're working Christmas Eve, or because you can't get a train or whatever, it might well push you over that edge. And what a massive slap in the face for essential workers with Christmas Day shifts.

Yes, it's probably necessary, but people aren't robots. They can't just turn their emotions on and off because the rules have changed. I hope the government are ready to plough money into mental health crisis services over the coming weeks. But never mind, eh? At least Boris got to do his 'Ho ho ho, merry Christmas one and all' act for a while.

Yes there are many things you can die from and if you suffer a heart attack it would be convenient if an ambulance is available

It didn’t help my FIL, the ambulance didn’t get there in time. People fall through the cracks all the time, Covid or no Covid. It’s nothing new.

@Yohoheaveho I don't give a flying fuck if it does end up including me. The purpose of life is not to fear and avoid death.

Why must we have compassion only for those with Covid? What about the other poor buggers who have cancer, people whose operations are cancelled, the young whose education and job prospects have been decimated, the lonely, the people killing themselves because they've lost their jobs, their livelihoods and have no social support because of the rules on distancing and not meeting up? Why does Covid trump them?

I have compassion for the generation whose future we've screwed for the sake of the over 80s.

@Bewareoftheblob

Are some of you listening to yourselves? It is a virus. It's spreading, which is what they do. It is NOT that dangerous. But the government has managed us into a mindset that makes us blame ourselves for deaths of loved ones? What the actual fuck??

Well said

@Timbucktime

Somebody wrote a comment on another website saying that the government’s behavioural psychologist department have played a blinder on the public. It’s certainly making me think.

I am though deeply concerned with how many more people’s livelihoods, mental health etc has been destroyed now and am worried that the already excess suicide rate with get even higher.
For many this will be the last straw.

Yes I've read much the same. Totally agree. They've used our elderly and vulnerable as pawns.

@DappledOliveGroves You had balls to say that, and I totally agree with you.

@DappledOliveGroves

We're a nation - a world - of absolute pussies. Pathetic. Did the world fuck up its economies one after the other for the Spanish flu pandemic? 20 million died - mostly young and healthy - and people got on with life.

Just let the fucking virus spread. Don't admit over 80s to hospital and give palliative care to them at home . People need to accept that death is a part of life. My mother is 81, in a care home with dementia. Is it a tragedy if she - or the other poor bastards in the care home - were to die? Of course not. No-one should ever have to live with dementia and why on earth we don't have euthanasia is beyond me.

Christ - the baby boomer generation have had it all. Roaring post-war economies, employment, massive increase in house prices, final salary pensions. And now they all have to live to 100 or something, and bed block hospitals and bugger up everyone's lives for the sake of the NHS which has been a shower of shite for decades?

The world is over-populated, local authorities can't afford the enormous social care bill for people in care homes and yet people say every death is a tragedy? Bullshit. Have some pragmatism.

Thanks for that, I'll pre-book my funeral now, shall I?

It's not just about death anyway.

It's about long covid. It's about the damage this virus is doing to people's bodies. Hospitals are seeing covid-recovered patients coming in with strokes and heart attacks unexpectedly.

@Leanandmean31

I’m not going to let this stop me visit my family. I don’t care anymore. Sorry, nothing you can say will change my mind. This is a complete joke. The fact that collective worship is still allowed in Tier 4 shows that these rules aren’t really grounded in science.

Yes, that surprises me. I was intending to go to Christmas Mass but surprised it’s still allowed now that we are in tier 4, yet my mother coming to our house is frowned upon.

@Oliversmumsarmy exactly. This is the point that people are missing. Covid continues to do the rounds at my mother's care home, she probably had it (back in March when there were no tests) and she's still here. I think 6 people died from the card home. Most are still alive, existing and living bloody awful lives with dementia.

If people get ill and are fine then I'll not advocating mandatory euthanasia. But people of that generation who are extremely ill should not cripple the NHS, be admitted and god forbid be stuck on a ventilator. They've had a good innings, let them go.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Look at Italy, look at Spain , really long and tough lockdowns , stricter than ours . Italy is back to square one So they can stick their science right up their jacksies, and stop treating us like idiots that dont know viruses mutate all the time. Its like they think we are all ape men scared of fire!

Exactly! Viruses mutate, usually to make it easier for them to be transmitted but tend to be less virulent as they dont actually want to kill their "host" so I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what corona is doing.

The narrative needs to change, too many people are convinced catching covid rings the death knell when that isnt the case. It will for some people, of course, much like any other illness, but for 98%+ of people it simply wont & the much feared long covid is very rare!

@DappledOliveGroves

Here here!

@DappledOliveGroves

We're a nation - a world - of absolute pussies. Pathetic. Did the world fuck up its economies one after the other for the Spanish flu pandemic? 20 million died - mostly young and healthy - and people got on with life.

Just let the fucking virus spread. Don't admit over 80s to hospital and give palliative care to them at home . People need to accept that death is a part of life. My mother is 81, in a care home with dementia. Is it a tragedy if she - or the other poor bastards in the care home - were to die? Of course not. No-one should ever have to live with dementia and why on earth we don't have euthanasia is beyond me.

Christ - the baby boomer generation have had it all. Roaring post-war economies, employment, massive increase in house prices, final salary pensions. And now they all have to live to 100 or something, and bed block hospitals and bugger up everyone's lives for the sake of the NHS which has been a shower of shite for decades?

The world is over-populated, local authorities can't afford the enormous social care bill for people in care homes and yet people say every death is a tragedy? Bullshit. Have some pragmatism.

Completely agree

It's no wonder people think they are hiding something. For the lady that said her son was in bed for a week , when I was 19 I had flu and i was like that .
Why is this being blown all out of proportion. I'm not for one minute saying its Bill Gates / 4g or whatever but it does make you wonder why the whole world is willing to risk everything for a virus that has a really low death rate.

It’s a shame that there still appears to be a lot of unpleasant and often vile comments being made by people automatically blaming anyone and everyone for what has been announced today.

I personally have not seen anyone not following guidelines of social distancing etc yet my local Facebook page is accusing everyone of not doing these things. I can only assume these people are using blame and unpleasant vile names and comments as their only way of feeling like they have some sort of control.

So sad that peg are to resort to being like this instead of supporting each other.

@DollyParton2

I’m not special. But your PIL being 90 puts them in a much more vulnerable bracket. My family are not. Everyone needs to weigh up the very different scenarios / risk for themselves.

All you are doing is making excuses for being a selfish twat. We will never get the virus under control when so many idiots like you exist

@lockeddownandcrazy

Being 'OK on Christmas day' isnt much consolation to those who are Care/Emergency Workers and are working on Christmas day so have to have their Christmas celebration on another date. this is now penalising them even further for keeping going over Christmas.

This. We haven't seen anyone for months because husband and daughter are nurses. Both are working on Christmas Day so we had planned to have our Christmas on Boxing Day. Now we have a shit Christmas Day, hanging about trying to make it fun for the younger ones followed by a shit Boxing Day.

Fuck fucking corona and fuck people who just do whatever they want

Boris has been picking off all chance of seeing any of my family over christmas and has just taken away the last chance of seeing any of them. Well, fuck you Boris, I'm not sticking to your rules, if mp's can do as they please then so can I.

My human nature is breaking. I’m angry too. Not willing to follow their stupid rules anymore. None of them.

@TunMahla

Let's be logical here. The rules are for the sake of stopping Covid not for their own sake. If you have isolated for 10-14 days to see your family for Christmas, do this, you don't pose any risk in terms of passing the thing on. That is what I plan to do.

Same

Our plans haven’t changed but I’m also done. I made the hard decision not to see my family this Christmas around September, after our plans to see family over the summer kept getting cancelled last minute. I feel awful for every single person who had their hopes up of seeing loved ones, for Boris to change his mind. Again.

It’s fucking shit OP. I’ve not seen my family since February but I’m more pissed off for my grandma ego should now face Christmas alone, after isolating and seeing none of her family since March.

getting people's hopes up, and letting them book tickets and make arrangements, only to have it all snatched away at the last minute
very insulting, it's like he wanted to make us as angry as possible!