I'm fucking done

[Twizbe]

I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

I think the government have been quite clever by introducing the tier 4 restrictions. If they kept the 5 day window open people will always push boundaries and would extend the time frame for mixing. They know by saying no mixing at all most people will most likely stick to Christmas Day plans but might be a bit more cautious to go too over the top for the rest of the holiday so they will still reduce contacts.

Comparison is irrelevant for the purpose of my comment.

Rubbish. The point is that no health service in Europe has fared well during this mess - even the good ones. If we had a health service akin to Italy’s we’d still be up shit creek.

@Dongdingdong

If you break the rules then the UK will continue to be in and out of lockdowns.

Oh sod off. It’s very apparent that lockdowns aren’t working. We locked down for November and just over two weeks later we’re in this shite situation. Enough is enough.

Indeed. Enough is enough.

@changingnamesandkeeping sane
Going to the supermarket isn't risk free , my kids being in school isn't but i will get fined if I don't send them back in september
My parents are in their 60's both still working at risk every day and I had pulled dc out school so we could isolate as much as possible before hand , my nan in her 80's was supposed to be coming but that changed as obviously she is higher risk
Every time I leave the house its a risk, and the place I feel most at risk is the supermarket, no sd , no limiting of numbers anymore , busy with family days out it seems as no one has anything else to do.
Yet the goverment are not telling them to go back to original measures
I could still send my ds to rugby training tomorrow not against the rules 20 kids mixing from
Approx 5/6 schools
If they are going to make xmas rules strict , then lets do it across the board
Lets see some actual plans in place for making schools safer in jan, look at the schools that tried to finish early they were threatened with court ,
I can luckily still go to my mums for xmas day as close but now have to go and collect dc presents as all there as we were going xmas eve, evening for night all in our own room. I do not have food in as planned to be at my parents for 3 days at least as can only afford to buy week at a time, now I will have to go to a supermarket along with the masses who have been put in a similar boat

Evidence? Well let's start with the fact they didn't actually do a real lockdown shall we?

Or you could listen to what the scientists have said ?

Every single time it's "oh it wasn't a REAL lockdown, they didn't tie us to our chairs for a month"

@Dongdingdong i live in an area that had one of the lowest covid rates before the november lockdown , within a couple weeks of coming out numbers were going up and up , thats what I don't understand

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@southeastdweller
For Q1/Q2/Q3 they have. And they are lower than prev years. Especially kid/teen suicides.
ONS have it on their site.[/quote]
Q1 was BEFORE lockdown.

Also, ONS say on their site that you apparently looked at:

All deaths caused by suicide in England are investigated by coroners. Given the length of time it takes to hold an inquest (around five months), we do not currently know the total number of suicides that occurred during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

Evidence? Well let's start with the fact they didn't actually do a real lockdown shall we

That’s not evidence for long term implications. Did you misunderstand the question?

And what about those European who had ‘proper’ hardcore lockdown and are now in exactly the same position as the U.K.

@Everlastingyes

The thought of being alone at Christmas is awful. My dad will be and therefore we will visit him. Covid is shit but people mental health is important too. Suicide rates always increase over Xmas anyway so what will happen now? Nobody cares about that though do they? A suicide victim won’t take up a hospital bed like a covid patient would...

And when ONS release the lockdown suicide figures next year and there's an inevitable thread about that on here, you can bet your bottom dollar that the MN lockdown lovers will be mysteriously quiet then.

[quote timeforanewstart]@Dongdingdong i live in an area that had one of the lowest covid rates before the november lockdown , within a couple weeks of coming out numbers were going up and up , thats what I don't understand
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I’m in a tier 3 area. At one point we had the highest number of covid infections in England. The national lockdown and the November lockdown brought our rates down but as soon as the lockdown was over cases shot straight back up.

Rubbish. The point is that no health service in Europe has fared well during this mess - even the good ones. If we had a health service akin to Italy’s we’d still be up shit creek

It's not 'rubbish.' I wasn't making any point about health services across Europe. If I had, maybe you'd have a point.

My point was simply that the Tories have fucked over our NHS. That's it. Talking about Germany or Italy changes nothing about that statement.

I'm not comparing. I'm making a stand alone statement. The Tories have fucked up the NHS and left it ill-equipped to deal with a pandemic.

Comparing how our health service has coped with the rest of Europe is a much wider and more nuanced issue that I have zero intent of addressing.

@pucelleauxblanchesmains well ot wasn't a proper lockdown schools remained open for all but a week of half term, the non essential shops and pubs were hit , whilst the supermarkets seem to of forgot all the measures in march
Same as this restricted xmas but my ds can go to rugby training tomorrow and mix with 20
Kids from 5/6 schools , yes some mitgation is in place but its not risk free

The other thing - and I don't live in tier 4 and am not breaking any rules before anyone starts yelling - is it's all very well saying "if people just followed the rules this would be over quicker" but I think for a lot of people there is now no link at all between behaviour and government restrictions especially because it's extremely unclear what the criteria are for moving between tiers and given that the government can just go and invent new ones when they like

@Mumof3andlovingit we were tier 1 really low cases before lockdown after lockdown straight in tier 2, how we didn't go to tier 3 on Thursday I am surprised . Although after today guess that could change any day

It feels neverending for people now, it's made my mental illnesses (for which I take several medications, I'm not just feeling sad) really hard to deal with because it feels like anything can be taken from us at any time with no clear reasoning. Maybe I'm too optimistic about human nature but if there was some indication of what the situation needed to look like before moving to a lower tier people would be less likely to just go, sod it, nothing's helping?

I'm done too. I think it is an overreaction to a mutation of the virus which is not more dangerous (and I would like to see the evidence that it is in fact more infection). The governments clearly don't care about anything other than covid so god help the NHS when it breaks down under the strain of providing mental health services and other services.

At least all this will stop Northerners wanging on about how the SE get special treatment.

@TheWichitaWineOne but you seem to think that if our NHS had had more money thrown at it then it would have coped fine with a global pandemic - as if it’s that simple. It wouldn’t have and we’d be in exactly the same situation we’re in now, just like Italy and Germany are.

but I think for a lot of people there is now no link at all between behaviour and government restrictions especially because it's extremely unclear what the criteria are for moving between tiers and given that the government can just go and invent new ones when they like

I think part of the problem is that the country has different tiers which I understand why but I do feel the country would be more united if everyone is in the same boat. As I get the sense of people feeling like they are being treated unfairly. Even on this thread there are posters saying it’s ok for people who ....... or feeling like they are more hard done by than others even though they don’t know their situation.

I live and work in two different tiers so I am travelling between the two everyday and I know many people who do this too.

Honestly a lot of these responses will be a knee jerk reaction, I posted earlier to say that although I had stuck to guidelines I would break the rules now because I was fed up but dh has talked me down. It’s just so upsetting a lot of people have been pinning their hopes on seeing family, regular people including nhs workers. It’s been a rough year we all wanted a bit of happiness but obviously that isn’t possible. The only thing I don’t understand is technically I could still see the same two households but I would now just have to do it on the same day instead of spreading it out which I would have thought would increase the risk but there we go.

I think there is a lot to learn from children.they don’t complain about social distanceing washing their hands and missing out on lots of things, everyone should just grow up and get on with it.if you MH is that bad then do what you have to do

I know and understand people are disappointed it’s shit, we all feel the same but we have to try our bestto all of you