I'm fucking done

[Twizbe]

I'm done. We've been isolating ready to see my parents and now we can't.

This is the third time now we've had to cancel plans last min and I'm sick of it! Totally sick of it!

Cancer treatments are given/not given based on cost/benefit analysis of the number of years they’ll extend life by

Dp was denied cancer treatment because they said he was terminal.

We paid for the treatment ourselves and in January will have been clear for 4 years.

[quote Mummywantsaweewee]@RealityNotEssentialism so because it only affects some young and healthy people we should not worry about it?? There’s no way of knowing why it affects some people worse than others. And the lad I referred to is someone I knew, and if it killed him, well it could kill me too. So yeah, it is affecting people besides the over 80’s. There is little point trying to draw comparisons to strokes and heart attacks because they are not contagious. I agree 100% we need to learn to live with it, but when you go to your local supermarket and see staff standing close together, with their masks on their chins, it’s little wonder we have increasing rates.[/quote]
It affects vanishingly few younger people. There are other contagious viruses that can also have unexpected effects on a small number of younger people. A friend of mine nearly died from flu and was in intensive care but that doesn’t mean that flu on the whole is a big danger to younger people and in previous years I certainly didn’t organise my life so as to try to avoid catching flu at any cost, despite what happened to my friend. I am sorry about the guy you knew but, yes, the fact that it is extremely rare does mean that young people do not need to be as worried about catching it as someone who is elderly or immunocompromised.

@Allispretty well said
My mh is at an all time low but its ok I can just have a good cry and get over it
Its the giving and taking away thats got me

@RealityNotEssentialism

And the dismissal of mental health impacts is horrible. The people I know who are the most militant about ‘sticking to the rules’ and judging others for not doing so do not live alone. Unless they have spent weeks in a flat with little to no contact with another human, they can seriously fuck off with their moralising of people who choose to see loved ones for the sake of their own mental health. They don’t have a clue what it’s like for many out there.

I agree. It’s always those who have family around them that preach this nonsense. I have my ‘little family’ around me this Christmas so in the worst case scenario we’ll be ok, but how condescending are those who post in a similar position to me that others should ‘suck it up’. Disgusting. Should be ashamed of their selfishness and solipsism

@chocaholic73

So ...let's get this right - it's more important to have a nice Christmas with your extended families than keep everyone safe - even if it means there is a serious risk that someone could become very ill or worse. I really don't understand the logic. It is a date on the calendar - the virus isn't going on holiday. I really dislike Boris and the government but when he announced the measures, I felt so relieved. It is the only sensible option given the statistics.

Boris is doing the right thing. People need to acknowledge that and do as they're asked.

@Twizbe 🍷🍰

@Lockheart

I can't believe at least one poster has outright advocated not admitting over-80s to hospital and just letting them die with palliative care, and many posters have agreed with them.

Shall we do the same for the disabled?

Fucking sick is what it is. You should all be ashamed.

Sick isn't the word. It's sociopathic. The place has become a home for eugenicists.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Society cannot lockdown a virus, it has its own rules which are easily understood, survival. Our rules only hide the reality, they do not deal with it. We can only outsmart it either through vaccine or nature.

Just do it.

Frankly this government has completely lost it.

The police is not going to be knocking on everyone's door, so just enjoy your time with your parents...

Where is the logic in saying you can go seat in a church with a bunch of people or go to a supermarket and mingle with hundreds of strangers yet you can't see your parents after you self-isolated for days? None of this makes sense.

@DirtyDancing 👏 thank you. Some sense. It is not seasonal flu, so comparing it to seasonal flu a la @Allispretty is just silly. Yeah there are young people who suffer from seasonal flu and yes there are other virus’ that do great suffering to people of all ages but we’ve literally had 12 months (if that!) experience and knowledge of covid-19. So I’m sorry but trying to compare it to well known virus’ is just a nonstarter.

Christmas is one day what’s the big deal, if everyone mixes it will be longer lockdown and I want my children to go back to school January.all these people saying f it I do what I like they will be the first to complain when schools aren’t open and they can’t get their nails done. I never trusted the government from the start

I don’t like my in-laws I think I’ll spend Christmas Day with them

@Emeeno1

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Society cannot lockdown a virus, it has its own rules which are easily understood, survival. Our rules only hide the reality, they do not deal with it. We can only outsmart it either through vaccine or nature.

Exactly. Lockdown does very little. We were told that the last lockdown would suppress the virus. As soon as restrictions are lifted only the tiniest bit (some of the areas with the worst spread now were in Tier 3 the whole time after lockdown) it comes right back. Economically, it can’t work much longer. People will lose their homes and jobs and will have nowhere to go. This is already happening to so many. And the inconsistent, belittling and heavy-handed way that the government has acted means that so many people have little inclination to follow the rules and any goodwill has now been wiped out.

@Allispretty can bet my last £1 you were all over be kind when flack died...I'm seriously bored of all you Covid police on here get a life! no absolutely not that was very hypocritical.
How the f do you know who is and isn't really suffering from Mh? You have noooo idea!!

But you are right I cannot tell who has mental health issues and who cannot , that’s my point, if people roll out the mental health card every time they feel incredibly sad about something it’s an insult to though who do have a mental health issue.
It’s used as an excuse to break the rules time and time again. It need to stop.

[quote Mummywantsaweewee]@Allispretty a bloke in his twenties died from coronavirus in days, no underlying conditions at all. It’s not to be taken lightly so I’m sorry but comparing it to seasonal flu is bullshit. I’ve never said the government have done a good job. They’ve handled it really badly and our firebreak in wales was a joke. But even if we had mass testing, it’s not going to be perfect. False positives opens more problems, so along with testing, the best thing we can do is minimise the chances of spreading. But when you see supermarket workers having a chat less than 2m apart, with their masks worn under chin, it’s no surprise the numbers go up. It’s because people can’t be bloody sensible.[/quote]
And how many under 20s do you know/heard of who have died of flu each year? Do you protect yourself and shield each winter for them? Do you bollocks!

I'm not for once saying the virus isn't real/serious but people need to get a grip it's currently about no 8 on a list of most common deaths In U.K. both cancer and suicide being higher and what is being impacted the most because of covid? Access to Mh services and cancer patients having ops cancelled its an utter disgrace.

My gran died non covid related do you know a doctor would not come out to confirm her death he got a care assistant paid £8.72 per hour to confirm it for him over video call...covid protocall apparently it's utter BS....DP has lost a grandparent recently, negative covid test dumped on a ward full of covid patients it all makes me utterly sick and one 20 year old dying is the same as saying a 15 year old lost their life to flu ITS RARE!

Also i bet the vast majority who are saying suck it up have not followed every rule and guidance
We have been subjecting teachers to 100's of kids with no sd , no masks , no real precautions where virus has been circulating and many dismissing the risk
Do we think it will just disappear over xmas even if we follow the rules and not be in schools in january when kids team outdoor sports can still continue and thats often many kids , many schools mixing
If we are going to get strict then lets make it across the board

@RealityNotEssentialism also, I recall a colleague coming to work with flu during flu season. She shouldn’t have, but she did out of desperation to print something off for her son for school and I remember her telling me to keep away (I was pregnant at the time). I had forgotten but I remember using hand sanitizer and wiping down surfaces a lot because of the number of people coming in and out of my office and I kept my distance from people who had snuffles or coughs etc. So actually, yeah, I was organising my life at work to avoid catching the flu. In fact I have always made an effort to not get too close to anyone who had a cold, it’s just basic common sense. So it’s the same for covid but in a much bigger scale. Like you said we all need to learn to live alongside the risk which means for now, doing what we can to minimise any risk of spreading.

@happystone we all want out kid in school , but what about vulnerable teachers or teachers in 60's or the kids whose granparents look after them
We haven't all been so vocal about making schools safer have we

[quote AldiAisleofCrap]**@Allispretty* can bet my last £1 you were all over be kind when flack died...I'm seriously bored of all you Covid police on here get a life!* no absolutely not that was very hypocritical.
How the f do you know who is and isn't really suffering from Mh? You have noooo idea!!

But you are right I cannot tell who has mental health issues and who cannot , that’s my point, if people roll out the mental health card every time they feel incredibly sad about something it’s an insult to though who do have a mental health issue.
It’s used as an excuse to break the rules time and time again. It need to stop.[/quote]
You are completely contradicting yourself as you are being hypocritical!! You have no idea if these people are suffering it has impacted everyone's Mh and if it hasn't then there's something wrong with you! It is not normal for social beings to live the way we have been.

What is pissing me off on these threads is the utter audacity of anyone who dares to feel sad/angry that they have had plans cancelled of course we have a fucking right to! The government have had weeks to sort the bubbles out and have gave the public 6 days notice!!

@Allispretty I agree, they shouldn’t be cancelling ops and treatment for other conditions. It’s awful. But the NHS is on its knees. If you have a better idea on how to run the shitshow why don’t you write and explain your master plan to the government??
See my other post re. Seasonal flu. When I know someone has flu and they have come to work to spread their germs I kept my distance, used sanitizer etc etc. Covid is NOT seasonal flu. And no, I don’t know anyone my age who has died from flu but I know of people my age who have died from covid, that’s my personal experience and that’s what I have to go on. I’ll never know why they’re gone, they were fit and healthy with nothing underlying.

The police have already said they can't police the new rules, it's not law anyway as it's not been voted on in parliament
I've stuck 100% to the rules but I've literally had enough. Personally I can see there being riots soon what with Brexit and going into next year with more of the same covid related.
Go. See your relatives. This is inhumane.

I genuinely think so many people are ignorant to what an overwhelmed NHS will mean. One of my relatives is a retired NHS nurse. She is being tested for covid twice weekly in case she needs to be called upon, she is over 65 herself. Yes most people won't be horrendously poorly with covid, but for those who are, or who need a hospital admission for any other health problem over the coming weeks, their care may be compromised if covid cases continue to surge as they are. It feels so narrow minded the 'my family are happy with the risk' type posts. It isn't just about you.

We are 'lucky' in that DM lives alone and we are her support bubble so whilst in tier 4 she can come to us on Xmas day. We can't see anybody else though, and it's our baby's first Xmas. It is what it is.

I think it’s appalling that communal places of worship are still open. That undermines the whole thing for me.
Meeting together to worship is NOT essential, whatever your faith.

I'm staying home. I'm a teacher and I live in tier 4. My family are in tier 2. My hotel has cancelled my stay. I have seen my mum once this year but I want to see her again without the fear that I could be taking a 70% more infectious strain of COVID to an area that has virtually none.

I will be at home by myself on Christmas Day as my husband will go to his very vulnerable mums. I will deal with this and as soon as it is possible and sensible I will go to visit them and we will have another Christmas. The kids will get presents at a time when they don't usually and hopefully we will all be able to spend time together.