Are they really going to cancel Christmas?

[fedupfrances]

And if they do, will loads of people just break the rules anyway?

It’s sodding ridiculous - myself and DP have barely left the house last week and won’t be going out this week either, other than walks in our local park. My parents have also been at home pretty much constantly. None of us has Covid 19 and the risk of catching it if we get together at Christmas is practically zero. So fed up with this shite!

And just seen you didn’t even start until 2pm! I presumed all those posts was over a day, but hardly 7 hours!

@fedupfrances
You come across as a complete imbecile on the entire thread - go and look-up the meaning of asymptomatic (probably a step too far for you).

If you don't like the educated responses on here - the clue is not to post in the first place.

The educated responses... hahaha! Given the stupidity of your previous post and your clear inability to read the OP, this is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh though

Do you have a phone addiction? A mumsnet addiction? You have been on your phone all day!!

Erm, I really haven’t It takes me a matter of seconds to read replies and post responses - though perhaps it’s longer for you?

Squabbling with more posters than is usually the case - AKA disagreeing with YOU

On what, exactly? Be clear here - I've said that JH fucked up the NHS but he is speaking some sense on COVID right now. What part are you disagreeing with? Did you think he did a great job with the NHS?

Anyway, you carry on singing the praises of Jeremy Hunt

I have zero idea of you're trying to achieve here. Other people can read what I've actually written, you know

OP, you seem to want to derail your own thread - why not stop bickering with people?

@fedupfrances

Supermarkets are NOT the commonest location for exposure according to that article. Education settings are.

@herecomesthsun well sure, if you group a load of different education settings together versus one type of shop But if you take “education settings” as single entities (like primary schools, secondary schools etc) then supermarkets are the commonest location for exposure.

As has been pointed out here before, "supermarkets " is a category that includes all sorts of different shops of different sizes, department stores, presumably petrol station outlets, village shops, yours Tesco's and Asdas all lumped together.

So I do choose to consider educational settings as one group, well, because they are .

Funnily enough, covid is growing rapidly amongst....you guessed it.... school children.

Amazing.

Don’t think I’ve ever come across an OP so committed to her thread and responding. Not sure if that’s impressive or a bit sad

@ChasingRainbows19 Deep down I know that. But it’s been 8 months. I’ve followed all the rules. It’s just got worse and worse. I’m losing hope it will actually improve. Even if i don’t see family over Christmas others will and we will end up in lockdown with them without having had a moments break to actually see family for the first time in almost a year. I’ve got two small kids and I’m falling apart. Every time there’s good news (vaccine, mass testing) it’s followed by horrific statistics and info (masks for years, won’t be over til 2022). It’s wearing me down. But you’re right. I just don’t want to admit it.

Don’t think I’ve ever come across an OP so committed to her thread and responding.

Thanks! I’m just bored at home... what’s your excuse?

@herecomesthsun enjoy your trip to the supermarket...

[quote Unsure33]@stepawayfromthekeyboard

And yet even when we do have rules it seems from this thread that people just think they are a joke .

Actually deaths per 100000 we are about 4th or 5th in Europe . Which is odd considering that the Groundhog Day post is that we are inflating covid figures deliberately.

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@Unsure33 - seeing how the thread deteroriated since you sent your @ to me, not sure I should reply.
I don't really understand your point. But I got the figure from LBC today - I expect it was not death rate they were talking about as highest in Europe but case rate... Who knows I am not going to fact check a national factual radio station!

[backs away from the thread]

* Thanks! I’m just bored at home... what’s your excuse? *

Chilling out after a busy hectic but pretty good day.

Sorry you’re bored, can’t remember the last time I was actually bored!

I doubt they'll cancel Christmas, but they will probably give strongly worded advice to minimise contact between households, keep homes well ventilated, not hug vulnerable relatives and perhaps even seat people as far apart as possible too, just to minimise the risk as far as possible.

We should learn from what has happened due to the Thanksgiving celebrations in the States... there are thousands of people dying now, due to mixing households roughly 3 weeks back. If that pattern is repeated here, we can expect high death numbers from around 10th to 20th January. For those who simply can't resist mixing with other households at Christmas, please be as careful as you can, do everything you can to avoid you or your loved ones becoming part of the sad statistics in January.

I know loneliness is a killer, too, so it's a dilemma for those with elderly relatives who say they're prepared to take the risk, but please be careful.

It's not as if we can "pay for Christmas" with a lockdown in January.

Mortality doesn't work that way.

A January Lockdown won't bring the thousands who will die because they saw us at Christmas back to life.

I'm seeing my children and their other halves twice
Once Xmas day for lunch
Once 27 th evening nibbles and a games night
I'm not changing that

I think it was a bit optimistic of the government to announce the 3 households mixing rule over christmas when they did. I can't believe that when it's become obvious that levels are rising they didn't take action by putting secondary schools and colleges on remote this week, (or giving permission for parents who are able to, to take their kids out of school this week) which would have mitigated the risks a little.

I think perhaps we're at a stage where they should revise it, but I don't think they actually will, and I think that lots of people will ignore it regardless if they do change the rules at this stage - people have already made plans. And I get why it's important to people for many reasons. We're not mixing with anyone indoors regardless.

What I would say for those planning to mix is please be as careful as possible in the run up - limit your contacts, wear a mask etc - and if you live in an area that's offering mass testing, please use it before mixing with loved ones.

hope all those breaking the rules because they ‘need to see their family for Christmas’ spare a thought for those who will be working 12 hour shifts on the covid wards over Christmas (and the coming months)

If the grandmother who works in a local supermarket didnt look after her daughters school age children her daughter wouldnt be able to do her job as an ICU nurse.

@thecatsthecats i wondered the same but from reading threads on here, huge swathes of people who don’t think it’s safe or sensible to allow the mixing, and would avoid it this year if they could, are under pressure to meet up because Bojo said it’s fine.
Lots of people’s families seem to be taking it personally if people suggest it’s not a good idea and they are being pushed into it because it’s ‘allowed’.

Easy to say they should stand their ground but many just aren’t in a position where they can do that and so will be mixing despite not wanting to. Because the government have said they ‘can’ so it’s much harder to then tell family you are personally choosing not to, rather than being able to use the official rules as your justification.

We have hugely upset family this year by saying we won’t be meeting up. It’s meant that four households will now stay in four different countries instead of all travelling to us in scotland by flying, then being in as many restaurants, bars and shops as they could possibly fit into a week long stay at minimum (and absolutely none of them would have entertained quarantine)

I’m sad not to have our usual Christmas. I’m glad we have stood our ground but I know we have really upset them all and that the family dynamics may never be the same if they hold a grudge about it and feel personally offended. Particularly since the government said it was fine and we chose to still say no. As far as they are concerned, we must just not want them.

What part are you disagreeing with? Did you think he did a great job with the NHS?

@TheWichitaWineOne oh come on now. You’re the one who’s praising him!

My mum wouldn't have my siblings to visit if it was up to her.

But Boris has left her without a leg to stand on.

She is raging about them risking my dad's life. But won't say so.

With all your Tory slanging posts you do know it’s Starmer who is pushing for lockdown over Christmas don’t you

Yes im aware of that. But a lot of the emotional blackmail and blaming of the public has been coming from the Tories. Still im sure peolple wont be expected to miss out on their ski trips. Funny how no one said to them "its just one year" last February/March

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3837698-Ski-trip-go-or-not

I'm getting pretty sick of short sighted people pointing the finger at others, virtue signalling and being sneery about mental health when the fact of the matter is this entire shit show could have been completely avoided had they done what they were told to do back in February. And they've cocked up constantly since, in more ways than I care to list

THIS

Interestingly, I just did an online YouGov survey. There were lots of questions about shopping habits. Then the last page had a question asking about whether I agree or disagree with having further Christmas restrictions, and then the next question asked whether I had bought all my Christmas presents yet!! I wonder if the Government are waiting until everyone has bought all their presents before thinking about bringing in further restrictions?

@Frankiefrank

Interestingly, I just did an online YouGov survey. There were lots of questions about shopping habits. Then the last page had a question asking about whether I agree or disagree with having further Christmas restrictions, and then the next question asked whether I had bought all my Christmas presents yet!! I wonder if the Government are waiting until everyone has bought all their presents before thinking about bringing in further restrictions?

Oh blimey well they'll never do that. Some people leave it until Christmas Eve.

Also people have to remember that plenty of individuals who do live with others may still need the support of others

YY @treening As of the end of the November lockdown ppl who care for a disabled partner were allowed to form a support bubble. So i have. DH is 70 and has COPD. He uses a mobility scooter. Easier for storage here than an electric wheelchair.

oh come on now. You’re the one who’s praising him!

OP, why are you persisting with this most innocuous point? I've said that (my precise words) JH fucked up the NHS but he is speaking some sense on COVID right now. If that's what qualifies as praise in your book, then fine. It's not in mine.

That seems to be the crux of your ire, so hopefully our differing views on what constitutes 'praise' explains it.

We really have nothing to offer each other here. Go well and have a truly marvellous Christmas.

@princessnutsnuts then why don't you tell them for her ? You can't expect the goverment to control your siblings , if your dad is an at risk person then your mum should say how worried she is and no sorry with you backing her assuming you are not visiting also