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Are they really going to cancel Christmas?

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fedupfrances · 15/12/2020 13:59

And if they do, will loads of people just break the rules anyway?

It’s sodding ridiculous - myself and DP have barely left the house last week and won’t be going out this week either, other than walks in our local park. My parents have also been at home pretty much constantly. None of us has Covid 19 and the risk of catching it if we get together at Christmas is practically zero. So fed up with this shite!

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PrincessNutNuts · 15/12/2020 19:50

I wouldn't wish a month struggling to breathe on anybody vulnerable, and certainly not anyone I love.

So I'm not weighing up and rationalising the risk, I'm not taking the risk.

We'll see them when they're vaccinated.

Christmas isn't cancelled. It just won't have a body count.

timeforanewstart · 15/12/2020 19:50

@Hapixmas sorry forgot the isle of wight Smile

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fedupfrances · 15/12/2020 19:51

but he's the only grown up in the room with this cabinet. He is urging an immediate rethink to avoid overwhelming the NHS in the depths of winter.

How short people’s memories are.

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Hardbackwriter · 15/12/2020 19:52

Christmas isn't cancelled. It just won't have a body count

Oh god, I bet you think that's clever.

breadwidow · 15/12/2020 19:56

@Nomorepies

Even if they did change it, I can't honestly think that anyone would actually cancel the plans they've made to see their family and comply. I certainly won't be cancelling!

The North has had very severe lockdowns for a while now but finally under control. If they change it just because London is going into tier 3 I think there will be uproar in the North.

I was all ready for having my sister and family to stay over Xmas from 25-27. We got loads of food ordered (so due to pick up enough to feed 8 and more on 24th) and most of their gifts are all at my flat. She was also bringing half the booze and the Xmas cake. So basically all plans in place.

We started thinking about cancelling Sunday as reports of scientists doubting the plans emerged. We officially cancelled yesterday when London went into tier 3. I know others who have done similar abs I think more would also cancel if rules officially changed.

I appreciate no one should spend Xmas alone so think there need to be some exceptions but overall we should not be relaxing the rules now

thecatsthecats · 15/12/2020 19:57

If 65% want a u turn, presumably 65% don't plan to meet during Christmas then? It's not obligatory to meet after all.

stovetopespresso · 15/12/2020 19:57

the amount of misinformation and posters just using snippets of info for their own ends on here is mind blowing. quite revealing. I get that following rules is harder for some than others, we are all different and some more privileged or whatever but the virsu doesn't care.

DigitalGhost · 15/12/2020 19:58

We'll be carrying on with our plans regardless. My DD finished nursery last week so we could limit our contacts before Christmas and there's no way I'm not letting my 3 year old see her family now.
We're in the North and have been in some form of Lockdown since March except for 3 weeks. For my mental health i am not cancelling no matter what the rules say.
We've taken the precautions so why shouldn't we be allowed.

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fedupfrances · 15/12/2020 19:58

Yes @stovetopespresso - and you’re one of them!

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fedupfrances · 15/12/2020 19:59

We've taken the precautions so why shouldn't we be allowed.

Agree @DigitalGhost - have a great Christmas!

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Twizbe · 15/12/2020 20:01

@PrincessNutNuts Christmas will have a body count. It's one of the peak times for suicide ... just saying

timeforanewstart · 15/12/2020 20:01

@stovetopespresso what like all the ones saying netherlands and germany have banned all mixing when infact that isn't strictly true
If supposedly so many people are staying home and want tighter restrictions then it shouldn't be such an issue as even in full lockdown you don't get 100% compliance in uk

UnseenDoreen · 15/12/2020 20:02

@DigitalGhost

We've taken the precautions so why shouldn't we be allowed.

Well said!

stovetopespresso · 15/12/2020 20:03

@fedupfrances I literally just quoted the article you linked. read. it. all. before posting. you really obviously haven't. sorry that's just waste of time at best and irresponsible misinformation if anyone believes you.

ChasingRainbows19 · 15/12/2020 20:04

Just look what’s happened in America, families travelling and mixing for thanksgiving. They’ve had high daily cases and deaths this last week, it’s not over and the lag will include more. Some of those families will have been safe as could be or so they thought but still caught covid.

Canada have seen it and taken action, It’s a warning about our January/feb. But people will still do what they will do. I couldn’t live with the guilt. I’d rather wait. I’m seeing family short visit outside on the doorstep and having a home meal. It’s one year. I’ve worked throughout in the nhs and haven’t had close contact with family and friends since March..

Lovemusic33 · 15/12/2020 20:04

@fedupfrances

I've seen one report today that it is now up to 65% of people that would like to see a u-turn

I don’t know one person who’s in favour of making the already fairly strict rules around Christmas even stricter.

I know many people who want a u turn, many had plans with family for Christmas and are of course sad that they might not see their families but they don’t want to be responsible for people being unwell or a spike in January.

What ever is decided people are going to be angry, 65% of people will be angry if a 5 day relaxation goes ahead and possibly 45% or less will be angry if tougher restrictions are put in place. With every decision made since the start of covid there have been people that don’t agree, people that believe we reacted to slowly, people who believe restrictions were too harsh, you can’t please everyone.

PrincessNutNuts · 15/12/2020 20:04

@Hardbackwriter

Christmas isn't cancelled. It just won't have a body count

Oh god, I bet you think that's clever.

Not very.

Because Christmas will have a body count won't it?

They just won't be my parents and grandparents, they'll be other people's.

stovetopespresso · 15/12/2020 20:06

@timeforanewstart no the one about covid pos people going to a supermarket (not stating they got it there as has been suggested)

tappitytaptap · 15/12/2020 20:08

Most people on mumsnet don’t want to see their families most Christmases, they will be running their hands with glee if it’s ‘not allowed’.

Napqueen1234 · 15/12/2020 20:08

@DigitalGhost

We'll be carrying on with our plans regardless. My DD finished nursery last week so we could limit our contacts before Christmas and there's no way I'm not letting my 3 year old see her family now. We're in the North and have been in some form of Lockdown since March except for 3 weeks. For my mental health i am not cancelling no matter what the rules say. We've taken the precautions so why shouldn't we be allowed.
We are in the same position @DigitalGhost. Those people just going into tier 3 now or only recently into 2 following lockdown have no idea what it’s been like being so isolated for months. We are having our family Christmas (as per current guidelines) this year. I may rethink if I was in London with soaring rates but for once our position is better up north and I want to take advantage of that as others have for months and months down there.
Rufffles · 15/12/2020 20:10

@fedupfrances

No it's not great and I haven't seen my elderly parents for months but I am sick of people ignoring the rules.

@lynsey91 if like me you’re barely going out for the two weeks before Christmas and your parents aren’t either, you’re driving straight to your parents’ house and spending Christmas at home with no contact with anyone else, then please tell me where is the risk?

I can see where you're coming from but one of the elements of risk in your example is the driving. There's an argument to say why expose the health system to risk caused by people out travelling on the roads when as many resources as possible need to be pointed towards Covid.
CancerCovidQuestion · 15/12/2020 20:10

@fedupfrances

"the inevitable result will be carnage in hospitals in January.

Let’s see shall we. Like I say, people said the same about BLM (many on this forum) and guess what, it never materialized."

"Let's see shall we" is surely an appallingly flippant thing to say about whether hospitals are overwhelmed in January?!
It's an upsetting view to see expressed, sitting here knowing my life depends on hospital access throughout the winter (cancer patient). That aside, any of us could find ourselves in a car accident, with appendicitis, or other medical emergency and be in need of hospital treatment, it will be an absolutely desperate situation for so many if hospitals are overwhelmed. I certainly hope decision makers on this aren't thinking "let's see shall we"

timeforanewstart · 15/12/2020 20:11

@stovetoespresso but others have also put up incorrect info to suit their post
The reality is most people don't know often Where they get it from , unless you don't leave the house
Some seem to generally think if you go to a supermarket and wear a mask that means zero risk , well to me anything you do is a risk , you can do things to limit the risks of course ,

ThelmaNotLouise · 15/12/2020 20:12

@ChasingRainbows19

Just look what’s happened in America, families travelling and mixing for thanksgiving. They’ve had high daily cases and deaths this last week, it’s not over and the lag will include more. Some of those families will have been safe as could be or so they thought but still caught covid.

Canada have seen it and taken action, It’s a warning about our January/feb. But people will still do what they will do. I couldn’t live with the guilt. I’d rather wait. I’m seeing family short visit outside on the doorstep and having a home meal. It’s one year. I’ve worked throughout in the nhs and haven’t had close contact with family and friends since March..

I feel the same – I couldn't live with the guilt of infecting my parents who are in their seventies and I certainly wouldn't want my secondary age DC to think it was their fault either, yet given how rife it is in schools it's more likely they would be the ones passing it on. We're going to re-do Christmas at Easter, vaccine permitting.
timeforanewstart · 15/12/2020 20:13

@Rufffles but if you don't go you have to drive to the crowded supermarket to get the food in , again a risk